ki7hy
Fat Ass
This. GoPro knows his shit.
How can I make the most gains on a 8.5 week cycle?
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This. GoPro knows his shit.
ki7hy
Fat Ass
Knowing knows it all and we all are affected differently but it's sound advice you gave and sound advice I've seen you give elsewhere. Some shit I read on here is insane so I think props are deserved when something makes sense. This kid might not even be able to handle prop like some cant but its still the best he can do with 8 weeks IMO. I wish him luck.
Nightmare007
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Try this
Test prop 200mg eod 8 weeks
Exemestane 12.5mg ed 9 weeks
Pct
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Test prop 200mg eod 8 weeks
Exemestane 12.5mg ed 9 weeks
Pct
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Nightmare007
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It is recommended to use testosterone as the only androgen in your first cycle in order to determine how your body reacts to exogenous androgens and how prone you're to the side effects...since testosterone is gonna be your base compound for any cycle using only test will help you isolate the side effects you will experience due to this compound and help u learn to control them
Cheers buddy!
Cheers buddy!
kamikaze
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Test e, prop, anavar or deca has never bloated me. Tren blew me up like a balloon. Dbol gave me 5lbs of bloats. Generalizing which compounds bloat or not is irrelevant since you haven't tried any of them. I think you're too young to start crohns or not. It's your life so do what makes you happen and deal with the consequences later.
joe d
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i dont think a first run has to be test only but not tren. tren can be pretty brutal even at a low dose. its also more likely to leave you with issues you arent prepared to deal with, with the travel plans. heres what i would do
1-8 150mg prop eod
1-9 .5mg adex eod
1-9 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x per week
day after your last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot start pct
clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 20/20/20
its plenty for a first run to make some great progress.
A cycle we both can agree upon joe d
OP this is a very good cycle if time is an issue for you. Or you can just wait till after the move an run a longer cycle.
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A cycle we both can agree upon
after I move I won't have access to eating unlimited food and healthy food. I'll be on a college meal plan. I'd like to do the cycle prior to that for maximum gains.
GoPro
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A cycle we both can agree upon
This looks like a pretty good cycle. But i think the Clomid and nolva should be run differently. Clomid 75/50/50/20, and nolva more like what he said. I dont even thin you need to run both. choose one. I have ran 2 cycles and am on the 2nd week of my third one and have never ran both. Never had o problem either. My natty always comes back no problem. And i would say the average person who really does workout and diet right could gain 15-20 pounds on their first cycle. After your first cycle your gains start to slow a bit. And for his condition i don't know what he would gain.
Am I going to gain a lot of fat or water weight on this cycle? I don't want to have to cut after the cycle.
Everyone has an opinion on PCT and to be honest yours could would work just as well. I don't have personal experience to draw from regarding this issue since I'm on my first cycle myself but from what I've read and studied here and I the scientific journals, clomid and nolva serve 2 different purposes which is why I would always take and recommend both. Can you get by with one, possibly; is it better to take both, probably, since nolva doesn't affect the negative feedback loop on the HPTA like clomid would and clomid doesn't block estrogen receptors in breast tissue like nolva would.
I agree 15-20lbs is realistic for 1st cycle, I'm almost 20lbs up since end of February (cycle started march) and my gains are slowing down but that's probably due to caloric intake not so much the cycle effects tapering.
I know all about the college eating experience lol but its not an excuse, its just a factor you have to work around. Healthy is a contextual word when relating to food and unlimited food isn't always a good thing. All you have to do is make the wise choices. Load up in the proteins, fruits, veggies, and dietary fat and if you have some $$ get some whey to fill in the gaps in protein. The rest of your calories can come from carbs be it rice, pasta, potatoes, etc. it's not impossible on a college meal plan, it just requires more planning and adjustments.
Water weight is not something you'd need a cut to take care of. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle would take care of this or it would fix itself coming off the cycle as water weight is typically a side effect of high estrogen caused by exogenous testosterone use (for AAS users at least). And test won't make you fat but your diet will. You have to pay close attention to the level of caloric surplus your taking in and meet macro and micro needs and your fat gain will be held to a minimum.
god damn this is what makes me want to take tren anyway
people keep saying dont take it and then a few people like you say to take it
I want to fucking take it but I know that it's probably not the greatest idea lol
I know it's not impossible but it will be a lot harder. Living where I am now I can buy whatever foods I want, eat whatever and whenever I want, etc. Next fall I'll be at the mercy of the cafeteria, and from my experience with school cafeterias it can be extremely hard to eat healthy or eat correctly. I've gone into cafeterias before and they don't even have a meat available. Cooking my own food will be an obstacle in itself because I'll have to take the bus wherever I want to go, and can only take X amount of stuff on the bus, and then have to share one small kitchen with an entire building of students, and it's just going to be a major hassle. I'll still be able to eat relatively healthy but I'm going to cycle this summer, not once I get there. Also I'll get evicted if I'm caught with steroids obviously. The place I'm staying at is fucking nazi land and I wouldn't be surprised if my room was searched because I'm jacked or because I gain a lot of size quickly. They fucking evict for tobacco and alcohol where I'm staying. Even though I'm 21 I still can't have any alcohol or tobacco in my room. Being 4000 miles away from home and everyone I know, I don't even want to risk getting evicted.
If I cycle now, I could go up to a 10 week cycle max, and I could potentially have a perfect diet since there are no obstacles standing in my way whatsoever.
Also, how are you supposed to eat on cycle? Are you supposed to eat a lot more calories or just hit your normal calories/macros or what? The thing I liked about tren is that you can have a looser diet and still lose fat. Also you can eat more calories and still lose fat.
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halfwit
I like turtles.
The big deal in my opinion is knowing WHAT to do IF there is a problem. If it's a first or second cycle, you may not have the experience to know how to react or what steps you can take if something ugly does happen like tren cough or a case of over-board aggression. I am one of the lucky ones in that I don't get many of the sides that tren is notorious for, but that doesn't weaken my respect for a very potent drug. I would stick with the prop (that alone is pretty harsh for a first-timer) and see how you react to not only the androgens, but the fact that you're pinning yourself on a regular basis. Once you have a foundation of knowledge and experience built, then I'd say go for it - but not until you KNOW you can handle your shit if it gets rough.
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The big deal in my opinion is knowing WHAT to do IF there is a problem. If it's a first or second cycle, you may not have the experience to know how to react or what steps you can take if something ugly does happen like tren cough or a case of over-board aggression. I am one of the lucky ones in that I don't get many of the sides that tren is notorious for, but that doesn't weaken my respect for a very potent drug. I would stick with the prop (that alone is pretty harsh for a first-timer) and see how you react to not only the androgens, but the fact that you're pinning yourself on a regular basis. Once you have a foundation of knowledge and experience built, then I'd say go for it - but not until you KNOW you can handle your shit if it gets rough.
My .02c
How rough is test prop? What sides should I expect from test prop alone?
I'm prone to acne (although it's not that bad anymore for the most part), have a family history of hair loss, and am moderately aggressive. Off cycle it's definitely controllable but last summer when I took 3 test boosters in a row (totaling 10 weeks) my aggression was pretty high.
I've read that pinning ED as opposed to EoD will lessen the side effects since it will keep blood levels more stable. How much does it lessen side effects?
halfwit
I like turtles.
Prop is a bit more painful in the PIP department, which is compounded by the fact that you need to inject it at LEAST 3x a week. I personally can handle almost 4mL of oil in any given muscle group, but prop just kills me at any given dose. I have an interesting theory on acne as I've found folks that had bad acne as a teen seem to have it pop back up on cycles - I think this is due to a sensitivity to estradiol, which can be controlled with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Hair loss is genetically predetermined and ANY androgenic compound has the potential to accelerate MPB. I just shave my head, but some guys worry about this, so it's some food for thought.
Only you can answer if you're able to keep your cool when facing aggressive bouts. While 'roid rage' is media hype, AAS DOES amplify who you are - so if you're a jerk while off, you will be a bigger jerk while on. I find being able to focus this aggression where it counts (in the gym) can not only help you make bigger gains, but keeps your nose clean as nobody wants the drama of stupid fights fueled by hormone-driven anger. This is why I feel a "mild" steroid such as testosterone is a better candidate for you at this time as it will not be nearly as intense as tren can be.
Hope this helps.
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