How can I make the most gains on a 8.5 week cycle?

[ace_]

Prop is a bit more painful in the PIP department, which is compounded by the fact that you need to inject it at LEAST 3x a week. I personally can handle almost 4mL of oil in any given muscle group, but prop just kills me at any given dose. I have an interesting theory on acne as I've found folks that had bad acne as a teen seem to have it pop back up on cycles - I think this is due to a sensitivity to estradiol, which can be controlled with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Hair loss is genetically predetermined and ANY androgenic compound has the potential to accelerate MPB. I just shave my head, but some guys worry about this, so it's some food for thought.

Only you can answer if you're able to keep your cool when facing aggressive bouts. While 'roid rage' is media hype, AAS DOES amplify who you are - so if you're a jerk while off, you will be a bigger jerk while on. I find being able to focus this aggression where it counts (in the gym) can not only help you make bigger gains, but keeps your nose clean as nobody wants the drama of stupid fights fueled by hormone-driven anger. This is why I feel a "mild" steroid such as testosterone is a better candidate for you at this time as it will not be nearly as intense as tren can be.

Hope this helps.

So what is the post cycle therapy (pct) going to need to be for a cycle of just test prop? I was planning on getting clomid and nolva. Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) necessary for just test prop? I was planning on getting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) anyway.

My source doesn't have any AIs though. All he has is letro and I don't want to mess with that shit. Where can I get some arimadex or aromasin?

Also, where could I get torem? I'd rather take that than clomid. I'll be getting clomid regardless though incase I can't get torem.

 

[halfwit]

RUI (red lion at the top of your screen) has pretty much everything you need. I'd follow the recommended PCT found in the stickies as I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and don't have the experience qualifying me to give specific advice in this area. I do not think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is needed, especially for such a short and mild cycle. It's really up to you though.

 

[Docd187]

So what is the PCT going to need to be for a cycle of just test prop? I was planning on getting clomid and nolva. Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) necessary for just test prop? I was planning on getting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) anyway.

My source doesn't have any AIs though. All he has is letro and I don't want to mess with that shit. Where can I get some arimadex or aromasin?

Also, where could I get torem? I'd rather take that than clomid. I'll be getting clomid regardless though incase I can't get torem.

You could get by without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but it would help with testicular atrophy, endogenous test production, and aid in a speedier recovery overall. I'm on test e and chose not to use it but it does have its benefits as well as cons.

As for AI's halfwit pointed you in the right direction. Pct is up to you 2 SERM's are generally better than one and if you have side effects to clomid you can run torem as a replacement. I have a link I can post if you're interested in reading up on SERMS

 

[GoPro]

Am I going to gain a lot of fat or water weight on this cycle? I don't want to have to cut after the cycle.

It depends on the person, but i think if you have a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI) lined up then you wont get near the bloat you are thinking (maybe 3-4 pounds?). And you should not gain fat on this cycle. Just as long as you keep your diet in check. And Testosterone by itself is a great fat burner!!!!!!! I really wouldn't worry about it.

 

[ace_]

Red lion? What are you talking about?

As far as AIs go, I need to know where I can get my hands on one.

 

[Nightmare007]

For the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) get some liqui stane from rui products
Dose it @ 12.5mg eod for 9 weeks

 

[ace_]

For the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) get some liqui stane from rui products
Dose it @ 12.5mg eod for 9 weeks

Jesus Christ that's expensive. I'm getting all the clomid/nolva I need for $50 from my source. They sell clomid alone for $60 on that site.

 

[theblitzkrieg]

and you dont know nuff bout tren man......what are you gonna use for the tren sides? prolactin gyno? no caber? or primi? and you know that nolva and 19 nors dont mix right?

Neither do you. Nolva is fine with 19nors. Prolactin is not an issue as long as estrogen is managed properly.


My first cycle was test only at 600mg / wk. After about 10 weeks I added in tren at 40mg ED to continue gaining. Then I just kept slowly increasing my tren dose until I hit 100mg ED. 25 weeks in and I'm still gaining well. I look like a different person entirely. I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) though, I can do long ass cycles and not worry about recovery.

 

[ace_]

Neither do you. Nolva is fine with 19nors. Prolactin is not an issue as long as estrogen is managed properly.


My first cycle was test only at 600mg / wk. After about 10 weeks I added in tren at 40mg ED to continue gaining. Then I just kept slowly increasing my tren dose until I hit 100mg ED. 25 weeks in and I'm still gaining well. I look like a different person entirely. I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) though, I can do long ass cycles and not worry about recovery.

25 week cycle

motherofgod

 

[Docd187]

Jesus Christ that's expensive. I'm getting all the clomid/nolva I need for xx from my source. They sell clomid alone for xx on that site.

Just be careful and edit the price out of your post bro. Not allowed to discuss pricing in the open forums.

 

[GoPro]

Neither do you. Nolva is fine with 19nors. Prolactin is not an issue as long as estrogen is managed properly.


My first cycle was test only at 600mg / wk. After about 10 weeks I added in tren at 40mg ED to continue gaining. Then I just kept slowly increasing my tren dose until I hit 100mg ED. 25 weeks in and I'm still gaining well. I look like a different person entirely. I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) though, I can do long ass cycles and not worry about recovery.

Neithr of you know enough..lol...Well the obvious difference is that one type of gyno is produced by hyper estrogen rebound while the other is caused by higher than normal prolactin levels. Letro works by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme responsible for estrogen conversion. Caber is a dopamine agonist that works by inducing the production of dopamine, causing a negative feedback reduction on prolactin. Its is true that superdrol and h-drol tend to cause estrogen related gyno more often due to their suppressive action on estrogen in general. Tren does tend to affect prolactin more than estrogen, which would explain why prolactin-induced gyno is more common with tren use. Furthermore, this is also a cause for suppressed libido during tren cycles. Letro treats the estro and "caber" is used for the prolactin.

In my opinion, neither one of these alone would effectively "treat" gyno because they are mostly used as on-cycle preventatives. It would be best to consult your physician and have him prescribe a SERM. A SERM is your best bet because the critical protocol to treating gyno is to block off the estrogen receptors in addition to inhibiting the production of further estrogen.

 

[joe d]

Neither do you. Nolva is fine with 19nors. Prolactin is not an issue as long as estrogen is managed properly.


My first cycle was test only at 600mg / wk. After about 10 weeks I added in tren at 40mg ED to continue gaining. Then I just kept slowly increasing my tren dose until I hit 100mg ED. 25 weeks in and I'm still gaining well. I look like a different person entirely. I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) though, I can do long ass cycles and not worry about recovery.

yea this seems to be kind of a secret around here haha. 99% of the time it will be fine. having what you need on hand for the slight chance it isnt fine is always a good thing though.

 

[theblitzkrieg]

Neithr of you know enough..lol...Well the obvious difference is that one type of gyno is produced by hyper estrogen rebound while the other is caused by higher than normal prolactin levels. Letro works by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme responsible for estrogen conversion. Caber is a dopamine agonist that works by inducing the production of dopamine, causing a negative feedback reduction on prolactin. Its is true that superdrol and h-drol tend to cause estrogen related gyno more often due to their suppressive action on estrogen in general. Tren does tend to affect prolactin more than estrogen, which would explain why prolactin-induced gyno is more common with tren use. Furthermore, this is also a cause for suppressed libido during tren cycles. Letro treats the estro and "caber" is used for the prolactin.

In my opinion, neither one of these alone would effectively "treat" gyno because they are mostly used as on-cycle preventatives. It would be best to consult your physician and have him prescribe a SERM. A SERM is your best bet because the critical protocol to treating gyno is to block off the estrogen receptors in addition to inhibiting the production of further estrogen.

Prolactin cannot get high without estrogen.

 

[GoPro]

Prolactin cannot get high without estrogen.

?????? Everyone has opinions. I tell mine from experience.