how should i run HCG??

[doctor3]

ive put my cycle together like this...

wk 1-12 500mg test enan (250mon/250thurs)..
wait 10 days from last inject then run clomid for 18 days/ 50mg a day..
also have nolva on hand..

my question is, how should i fit HCG into my cycle? thinkin 500iu a wk (250mon/250thurs)........ its better to run DURING cycle, than instead of post cycle therapy (pct) from what i understand, correct?

let me know what you guys think, thanks!

 

[doctor3]

and should i shoot hcg at the same time as the test??

 

[rubicon09]

i run hcg 500iu a week split in two shots and start from week one some people start on wk 3 or 4 thats just what i prefer. also stop one week before you start your post cycle therapy (pct). start post cycle therapy (pct) 14 days after last injection and i usually run 4 weeks of clomid 50mg but 18 days is fine your choice.

 

[Teutonic]

125-250 e 3 d. It s how I do it.

 

[BigKevKris]

Never run HCG in PCT....on cycle only

 

[jamez45]

I never run hcg in pct either. But...last cycle i blasted 1000i.u 3 times(every other day) four days prior to starting post cycle therapy (pct), and i really liked it , seemed to recover quicker than normal for me..my 2 cents.

 

[6one7]

125-250 e 3 d. It s how i do it.

this should work well for your situation.

 

[slayer of souls]

i run hcg 500iu a week split in two shots and start from week one some people start on wk 3 or 4 thats just what i prefer. also stop one week before you start your post cycle therapy (pct). start pct 14 days after last injection and i usually run 4 weeks of clomid 50mg but 18 days is fine your choice.

Why start from week 3? I read that too. If start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from day one, shoudnt hcg start from day one as well

 

[6one7]

Why start from week 3? I read that too. If start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from day one, shoudnt hcg start from day one as well

there is no need.
using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from day 1 will just tank your estrogen while your still waiting for your test to reach levels.
HCG is to keep your balls from suffering atrophy which you wil not experience this early in the cycle.

keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to keep your estro in check and using a longer ester like enanthate you wont start to aromatase untill week 3 or beyond.
I personally would just blast the HCG the last couple weeks before pct

 

[slayer of souls]

there is no need.
using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from day 1 will just tank your estrogen while your still waiting for your test to reach levels.
HCG is to keep your balls from suffering atrophy which you wil not experience this early in the cycle.

keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to keep your estro in check and using a longer ester like enanthate you wont start to aromatase untill week 3 or beyond.
I personally would just blast the HCG the last couple weeks before pct

So HCG from day 1? The halflife is aprox 36 hours... wouldnt EOD or E3D be the best protocol

 

[slayer of souls]

Some also say to pin a day before your test injection.

 

[doctor3]

Some also say to pin a day before your test injection.

so pin hcg sunday/wednesday?

 

[slayer of souls]

so pin hcg sunday/wednesday?

Sorry.. that was a question, im on the same boat as you. Trying to figure the HCG out.

 

[doctor3]

im pretty sure that im gonna pin on the same day.. maybe one in the morning and one at night.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

there is no need.
using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from day 1 will just tank your estrogen while your still waiting for your test to reach levels.
HCG is to keep your balls from suffering atrophy which you wil not experience this early in the cycle.

keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to keep your estro in check and using a longer ester like enanthate you wont start to aromatase untill week 3 or beyond.

this is totally incorrect and just bad information all around............

 

[slayer of souls]

this is totally incorrect and just bad information all around............

Please elaborate

 

[roidedsurfbum]

I'm curious on this too...

Would 250iu's twice a week be okay? And would it be okay to mix the HCG with the test in the same syringe and pin them both at the same time?

 

[slayer of souls]

bump

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

there is no need.
using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from day 1 will just tank your estrogen while your still waiting for your test to reach levels.

This makes no sense whatsover. When you do an injection of 200mg your T levels will peak from that shot within 48 hours, then they will start a slow steady decline. You can bet your ass that this will cause increased aromatization. Not to mention the fact it takes most AI's at LEAST 5 days to accumulate in the blood.

HCG is to keep your balls from suffering atrophy which you wil not experience this early in the cycle.

first of all your HPTA will begin to shut down within 48 hours of your first injection. Testosterone is just a messenger signal, nothing more. It regulates the speed of many things in the endocrine system. as soon as serum T levels rise, which is within hours of your first injection, you have more T in your system than before the shot. so since the signal is stronger it will imediately begin to alter the speed of other mechanism's. slowing down GNRH production.

keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to keep your estro in check and using a longer ester like enanthate you wont start to aromatase untill week 3 or beyond.
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we went over this already............


people get very confused on what it means for a long ester to "kick in" after 4-6 weeks. Your levels steadily rise right from the first shot. It is within 4-6 weeks that levels will reach their peak and stabalize. Although they will be over physiological range the majority of the time right from the first shot.

To add to that, HCG is not just to keep the testicles full, although it is wise to do so. Testicle size is a very poor indication of function. The leydig cells only make up like 10% of the testicles.

It is EXTREMELY important to "blast" your HCG during the T decline. meaning right after your last shot of T up to post cycle therapy (pct). The reason for this is because at this time you will stimulate GNRH. GNRH controls more than just FSH and LH.

GNRH gives your testicles the material they need to make testosterone, not just turning into LH and FSH.

Its like me telling you to make a snowman. I can tell you over and over to build a snowman(clomid stimulating LH). If there is no snow (GNRH) then I will not be able to build one.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Here is a chart of someone injecting T every 3 days. pay no attention to the frontload part, i think that is bullshit.

as you can see they will steadily be over basline right from the begining.