Megatron28
Moderator
Ok. Post it up please. Let's discuss.
How to LOWER testosterone levels (Yes, you read that right.)
- Thread starter serber12345
- Start date
Ok. Post it up please. Let's discuss.
Megatron28
Moderator
Please post this evidence. Thanks.
I suggest you read the basic trt overview that you wrote. You state that one might be use to a level of 800 and when it drops to 370 you might not feel like yourself. That alone suggests that these ranges are bs but I've read similar things all over the internet. Either you believe what you wrote or you don't. And I'll go back to what i said earlier, it seems hypocritical to jump on somebody and say its all in their head because their levels are "normal" even tho you have no clue what their normal use to be (which brings me back to your trt overview and the bs ranges) but then most of you have your levels jacked up way above normal. Thats of no concern to me tho other than the hypocritical part, its your body you do with it as you see fit, i couldn't care less. Look I didn't come here to argue, I came here to get advice from guys who have already been thru all the low t bs and doctors who don't care and don't know anything about low t. It just seems to me that unless someones levels were tanked at the very bottom then yall don't think it's possible for somebody to have low t.
One more thing and I'm done with this. There are two guys in this thread who have stated that at 450 and 600 they didn't feel right so they got on trt and felt right. Was that all in their head? I couldn't care less what my level is, I just want to FEEL like myself again. If that's in the 500s then that's great, if it's at 800 then that's great too. Couldn't care less.
Roush
I am banned!
you'd need to change the medical definition of what "Low T" is in order for your idea of what low t is to be true (you seem to be pin point focused only on low t symptoms) .
I'm not saying that someone with a 500 test level can't have low T "symptoms', of course they can , heck even a female can have all those exact same low T symptoms (but she would not be treated or medically defined as having low T , just like a male wouldn't if he has normal levels of test).
symptoms don't necessarily = a specific diagnosis or medical condition
people with brain tumors have headaches, but just cause you have a headache does not mean you have a brain tumor
If you have medically defined as "normal" testosterone levels, and yet injecting yourself with testosterone to achieve higher levels makes you feel better, FINE , I imagine it would. most all guys who run gear feel great when injecting high amounts of testosterone . Thats why guys get mentally addicted and run 1000 mg of Test a week for a year straight. so yeah its no surprise you feel better on more.
you know , a couple fat lines of cocaine might make you feel better too
Last edited:
Machine15
New member
YES, nailed it lol,
Apparently my point (the point being that the ranges used by doctors are bs and different people need a different level to feel normal) is being missed on some even tho they keep reiterating what I'm saying and if you have "normal" levels then you can't have low T (don't care what the medical definition is, that's not what I'm discussing) and you just need to deal with it because it's all in your head because some have felt fine all their lives with low T numbers so there's no way anybody else can feel terrible with higher numbers than theirs. Go get on psyche drugs that will mask the problem and alter your brain so you don't care that you have low T. Sound about right? Been interesting but I really am out for good this time.
Megatron28
Moderator
You may not realize this, but in anoither thread Serber said he ran a cycle (supraphysiological levels) of testosterone and he still felt shitty and depressed. That is partly why we are telling him that getting on TRT and having a doc get his levels from the 470 up to the approximate average of the 600's won't fix his problems. The advice we are giving him is specific to him. If you want to start a thread to talk about your personal situation or the ways labs determine the average TT levels or how doctors define Hypogonadism please do so. You can post all your medical evidence there and we can all learn from you. We all want to learn more about TRT.
Maybe your reading comprehension isn't the best. He felt fine BEFORE that cycle. That cycle caused him to feel worse and without blood work during or after that cycle you nor anybody else has even the slightest clue of what could have went wrong. And without said blood work you immediately tell him it's in his head and needs to get on psyche drugs. Very dangerous especially for somebody that age. My sister, whom is a nurse, has a son on antidepressants because of a drug addiction and she worries daily because antidepressants in young people has a tendency to make the situation worse. Am i saying its not psychological? I have no clue so I'm not gonna say one way or the other. You want me to discuss my health situation with you when you're telling somebody it's all in there head when you know next to nothing about the situation and have seen no blood work? No thank you!! Like I said I'm no expert by any means but I would never give that kind of advice without first getting blood work doneand knowing more about the whole situation. I've seen enough to know this forum is definitely not for me. Thank you to the ones who answered the questions I had.
halfwit
I like turtles.
ShadeTree, I like you. You're compassionate and have a tremendous amount of emotional investment in this topic like many of us do.
HOWEVER, the big difference between us is that dudes like me and Tron have been reading and replying to threads from guys that have hidden agendas literally all the time. Sometimes we do make a mistake and call someone out for being deceptive when they have a genuine need - but often, we're right on the money as there's a pattern to their stories.
Younger guys that start off with a number and exclaim how it's not the right value for their age, followed by some often vague symptoms is usually a young buck looking to "cheat the system" and cycle using pharmaceutical grade AAS. They often don't realize that what they're doing often won't work, but that it's dangerous at a young age to play with hormones period until adolescence is complete.
Yes, it's a travesty that the medical profession has made things difficult to obtain proper treatment for those in need, but it's because of the clowns that want to abuse a script we can thank for that fine mess. Hell, I'd love a script for nandrolone and HGH, but it's not likely because the potential for abuse is so high (I DO cycle nandrolone, but completely outside the system my doctor operates within) that controls are there to make it insanely difficult to do.
I tell everyone that if you NEED TRT, it's a godsend. If you don't, then you're just chemically castrating yourself out of ignorance. This is why it's typical to see recommendations to seek other avenues of treatment FIRST. It helps weed out the shady folks, and is still doing a service to our fellow man.
I hope that makes sense. It's not just a matter of hypocrisy like it may seem on the surface.
ShadeTree, I like you. You're compassionate and have a tremendous amount of emotional investment in this topic like many of us do.
HOWEVER, the big difference between us is that dudes like me and Tron have been reading and replying to threads from guys that have hidden agendas literally all the time. Sometimes we do make a mistake and call someone out for being deceptive when they have a genuine need - but often, we're right on the money as there's a pattern to their stories.
Younger guys that start off with a number and exclaim how it's not the right value for their age, followed by some often vague symptoms is usually a young buck looking to "cheat the system" and cycle using pharmaceutical grade AAS. They often don't realize that what they're doing often won't work, but that it's dangerous at a young age to play with hormones period until adolescence is complete.
Yes, it's a travesty that the medical profession has made things difficult to obtain proper treatment for those in need, but it's because of the clowns that want to abuse a script we can thank for that fine mess. Hell, I'd love a script for nandrolone and HGH, but it's not likely because the potential for abuse is so high (I DO cycle nandrolone, but completely outside the system my doctor operates within) that controls are there to make it insanely difficult to do.
I tell everyone that if you NEED TRT, it's a godsend. If you don't, then you're just chemically castrating yourself out of ignorance. This is why it's typical to see recommendations to seek other avenues of treatment FIRST. It helps weed out the shady folks, and is still doing a service to our fellow man.
I hope that makes sense. It's not just a matter of hypocrisy like it may seem on the surface.
The first thing I noticed on the many forums I read thru is there are a lot of guys on the forums and on TRT that screwed themselves up from doing cycles. That alone pisses me off because I have never done any kind of cycle and would never choose to be like this. Another thing I've noticed, and have mentioned, is that a lot of guys on these forums, including ones who have done cycles and those who have not, push their levels way above normal as if they are on a "mini" cycle if you will. That too pisses me off and seems very hypocritical to do that but then look down on somebody else trying to do the same but I'll be dammed if I'd doom somebody to a life of anti depressants and other psyche drugs if that's not what they need just because I think I know their intentions.
You seem like one of the few that actually has a lil common sense and I thank you for the help that you have given me but I think it's best if I not post in here anymore and maybe not in any TRT forum because I just can't handle the hypocrisy and in consistency I see. Peace out.
Megatron28
Moderator
Show me where I told him to get on "psyche drugs".
Megatron28
Moderator
OK, so you're suffering from depression, and have symptoms including poor mood, body dysmorphia, reduced libido, and a general lack of drive. In that case TRT starts to look very attractive, particularly when there are advocates who've built a fair amount of muscle whilst running it, for example the guy from Iron and Tweed. (And, yes, his legs suck.)
In contrast, an antidepressant may lead to a loss of libido, significant weight gain, and an increase in suicidal ideation. Of course your typical guy is going to prefer the other option.
Testosterone therapy is a possible treatment for depression, but only for the more low-level, persistent form. In fact, it was used for that fifty years ago. But it's really only helpful if the patient's levels are fairly low to begin with, and possibly in conjunction with antidepressants. Bignoknow suffers from depression, and is on TRT, but still struggles. It's not a magic bullet.
I can understand where Serber is coming from, but I'm not convinced that TRT would be the right treatment for him.
In contrast, an antidepressant may lead to a loss of libido, significant weight gain, and an increase in suicidal ideation. Of course your typical guy is going to prefer the other option.
Testosterone therapy is a possible treatment for depression, but only for the more low-level, persistent form. In fact, it was used for that fifty years ago. But it's really only helpful if the patient's levels are fairly low to begin with, and possibly in conjunction with antidepressants. Bignoknow suffers from depression, and is on TRT, but still struggles. It's not a magic bullet.
I can understand where Serber is coming from, but I'm not convinced that TRT would be the right treatment for him.
serber12345
New member
Lol this is so stupid. You're essentially saying that because you can't quantitatively measure our quality of life that somehow it doesn't matter so we may as well push it off to the touchy feely "psychologists".
News bud, there's a huge difference between living a good life filled with excitement and happiness and a bleak, boring life. It quite simply, matters.
News bud, there's a huge difference between living a good life filled with excitement and happiness and a bleak, boring life. It quite simply, matters.
serber12345
New member
I don't have persistent depression. My T levels dropped after anabolics and stayed lower. This is when the depression started, after anabolics. Are you telling me the onset of it is just coincidental?
Gainjin260
I am banned!
Seems like you've got it all figured out. No reason to solicit any more advice. Good luck.
halfwit
I like turtles.
Again, you're telling yourself that's your problem. You dropped THIRTY BILLIONTHS OF A GRAM of testosterone per deciliter. You do realize that a half hour difference in draw time, or a simple matter of 10g of fats being absent they days leading up to the test can do that?
But hey, you're certain and I'm not your Internet daddy. Please find out the hard way that this isn't the answer, we've tried to offer you sound advice based on experience and observations.
Best of luck to you.
