I am starting my research...............

[Stone-Cold]

Just wanting to get some info while I start my search...Heres some History...


I started lifting in 1998 during high school for sports. During these times we had a lifting class. I was very small (145) but really wanted to get a "pool" body for the summer coming up, so I enjoyed the class. I actually gained around 15 pounds before going into the Marines when I turned 18. I lost weight and muscle during my time in boot camp, although I did get cut pretty good from all the body strength exercises we did.

Anyways after getting out of boot camp I took a break from lifting, working long hours in the marines and not being able to hit the gym up properly was one reason why. Although I still was lean due to running and bodyweight exercises.

I started lifting again about a year ago, and have put some muslce and mass on using the basics like creatine, whey, eating right and watching calories, pre workout supps etc... I have added some weight, then lost some, and I am now working on my goal to get my weight up to 175 its coming slowly though

I am now on my way to begin searching the differant things like Steroids, Anabolics, PH's, post cycle therapy (pct)'s, etc...and dont plan on using them any time soon, however maybe in the next year or so.

Due to the side effects of some things discuess, I would rather go in, knowing my "stuff" and "gear" before doing anything that will harm my body.

So heres some questions I have to help me with searching:

1. Whats the differance between PH, Anabolics, and Steroids. Which ones are legal? (I do not at this time plan on using anything Illegal).

2. Do they all require a post cycle therapy (pct)? As I understand it a post cycle therapy (pct) is used to help re-balance the cycle and stop the onslaught of Gyno, Teste shrinkage, and back pumps???

3. HGH- I had a buddy who was on HGH and he recommended it to me. Is there any "legal" alternative to HGH? And what does it entail in a cycle? post cycle therapy (pct)?

4. Feed Store Steroids- I work with a guy who says he buys his steroids from a feed store, I guess they are cow steroids, or maybe horse, I really dont know. However I do know that he does take a post cycle therapy (pct)- He said his post cycle therapy (pct) anyone can get....although I dont know which one it is??? I do know that this guy is massive, and can really lift alot, but is he honestly serious about using feed stroe supplements????

5. post cycle therapy (pct)s- are there any OTC products that work? I know Clomid is preached goodin various places, but when my wife was on Clomid 6 years ago, it was very expensive(thanks to the Military I didnt have to pay for it )

6. Stacks-For a smaller, leaner guy like myself. What would be a good "legal" stack to use to pack on weight and mass? Used with a good diet, and whey protien for sure. Any recommendations for me to look into and study using? As I said I dont plan on using anything within the next 6-8 months, but want to get all the info I can.

I have more questions, and will be using the search function above, but figures I would ask these few and start reading all I can

 

[BigBlackguy]

Just wanting to get some info while I start my search...Heres some History...

So heres some questions I have to help me with searching:

1. Whats the differance between PH, Anabolics, and Steroids. Which ones are legal? (I do not at this time plan on using anything Illegal).

Steroids are illegal, unless acquired through a prescription. Anabolics are simply short hand for Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids (AAS). They account for any active steroid and do not account for most pro-hormones (which convert into AAS).

2. Do they all require a PCT? As I understand it a PCT is used to help re-balance the cycle and stop the onslaught of Gyno, Teste shrinkage, and back pumps???

PCT is Post Cycle Therapy. It begins after your cycle ends. It helps restart the HPTA (Hypothalamus Pituitary Testicular Axis), while also preventing side effects that come from increased cortisol, estrogen and other hormones related to the HPTA balancing. It is also a time in which you attempt to retain your gains.

Back pumps, testicular shrinkage and gynecomastia (gyno) can all occur on cycle as well.

Back pumps are battled with Taurine. They are caused by mineral retention, which is good for strength but can cause painful back pumps.

Testicular shrinkage can be solved with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use, however, for a cycle under 6-8 weeks there isn't much of a need for this.

Gynecomastia can be combatted by having letrozole or aromasin, both Aromatase inhibitors, on hand. If your nipples get sensitive, you can use these to stop the oncoming gyno. Blood work during a cycle is also a good way to know if your estrogen is too high.

3. HGH- I had a buddy who was on HGH and he recommended it to me. Is there any "legal" alternative to HGH? And what does it entail in a cycle? PCT?

No legal alternative. There are Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides (Gnrh, Ghrp-6, Hexarelin, Ipamorelin, Ghrp-2). These are research chemicals that can be used to cause the pituitary to release growth hormone. Studies show increases for 5 iu of GH a day with moderate dosing. That is a good amount of GH, btw.

4. Feed Store Steroids- I work with a guy who says he buys his steroids from a feed store, I guess they are cow steroids, or maybe horse, I really dont know. However I do know that he does take a PCT- He said his PCT anyone can get....although I dont know which one it is??? I do know that this guy is massive, and can really lift alot, but is he honestly serious about using feed stroe supplements????

Yes he is serious. You can buy pellets that are used to inject into cows, crush them up, filter them, and use them for injectables or transdermal preparations. You wouldn't want to do this as a beginner unless you have your friend show you how.

5. PCTs- are there any OTC products that work? I know Clomid is preached goodin various places, but when my wife was on Clomid 6 years ago, it was very expensive(thanks to the Military I didnt have to pay for it )

There are OTC Products that work in post cycle therapy (pct), especially for shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks or less. One is the TRS. However, using a SERM is still recommended. They are cheap, look at the sources on this board. Remember, they are for research purposes only.

6. Stacks-For a smaller, leaner guy like myself. What would be a good "legal" stack to use to pack on weight and mass? Used with a good diet, and whey protien for sure. Any recommendations for me to look into and study using? As I said I dont plan on using anything within the next 6-8 months, but want to get all the info I can.

I work for Primordial Performance as a representative. That product I linked above is one of our OTC PCT products. I'm not going to hide that fact from you, as I'm also going to suggest you use our pro-hormone products. They work, and they are 100% legal.

Andromass - so far logs have shown people gaining 11-13 lbs. in the first 2-3 weeks. Strength gains through the roof.

Androhard - Used to keep energy high, libido high, fight gynecomastia on cycle and also allow for a recomposition effect. AKA, this will allow you to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. This also is heavily dependent on your diet. However, the androgenic nature of androhard will help keep you lean while getting much bigger.

I can help you get the stack for a discount, send me an email at bbg@hushmail.com

 

[Stone-Cold]

Steroids are illegal, unless acquired through a prescription. Anabolics are simply short hand for Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids (AAS). They account for any active steroid and do not account for most pro-hormones (which convert into AAS).



PCT is Post Cycle Therapy. It begins after your cycle ends. It helps restart the HPTA (Hypothalamus Pituitary Testicular Axis), while also preventing side effects that come from increased cortisol, estrogen and other hormones related to the HPTA balancing. It is also a time in which you attempt to retain your gains.

Back pumps, testicular shrinkage and gynecomastia (gyno) can all occur on cycle as well.

Back pumps are battled with Taurine. They are caused by mineral retention, which is good for strength but can cause painful back pumps.

Testicular shrinkage can be solved with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use, however, for a cycle under 6-8 weeks there isn't much of a need for this.

Gynecomastia can be combatted by having letrozole or aromasin, both Aromatase inhibitors, on hand. If your nipples get sensitive, you can use these to stop the oncoming gyno. Blood work during a cycle is also a good way to know if your estrogen is too high.



No legal alternative. There are Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides (Gnrh, Ghrp-6, Hexarelin, Ipamorelin, Ghrp-2). These are research chemicals that can be used to cause the pituitary to release growth hormone. Studies show increases for 5 iu of GH a day with moderate dosing. That is a good amount of GH, btw.



Yes he is serious. You can buy pellets that are used to inject into cows, crush them up, filter them, and use them for injectables or transdermal preparations. You wouldn't want to do this as a beginner unless you have your friend show you how.



There are OTC Products that work in post cycle therapy (pct), especially for shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks or less. One is the TRS. However, using a SERM is still recommended. They are cheap, look at the sources on this board. Remember, they are for research purposes only.



I work for Primordial Performance as a representative. That product I linked above is one of our OTC PCT products. I'm not going to hide that fact from you, as I'm also going to suggest you use our pro-hormone products. They work, and they are 100% legal.

Andromass - so far logs have shown people gaining 11-13 lbs. in the first 2-3 weeks. Strength gains through the roof.

Androhard - Used to keep energy high, libido high, fight gynecomastia on cycle and also allow for a recomposition effect. AKA, this will allow you to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. This also is heavily dependent on your diet. However, the androgenic nature of androhard will help keep you lean while getting much bigger.

I can help you get the stack for a discount, send me an email at bbg@hushmail.com

thanks for all of the answers, this will be a great start for me getting into studying this subject and where I want to go from here. Would Androhard be a good alternative for someone such as me who really only wants to gain weight and muscle? I would really hate to lost weight.

IS a PCT required for those two?

Also you will have a email in a few mins..... wanna know some more about them...

 

[BigBlackguy]

thanks for all of the answers, this will be a great start for me getting into studying this subject and where I want to go from here. Would Androhard be a good alternative for someone such as me who really only wants to gain weight and muscle? I would really hate to lost weight.

IS a PCT required for those two?

Also you will have a email in a few mins..... wanna know some more about them...

Androhard is used to lose fat while gaining muscle and it's a great supporting hormone for another hormone. It converts directly to DHT.

Andromass is the bulker. Like I said, we've seen around 12 lbs. on most logs in a matter of 2-3 weeks.

And yes, PCT is required.

 

[Stone-Cold]

Androhard is used to lose fat while gaining muscle and it's a great supporting hormone for another hormone. It converts directly to DHT.

Andromass is the bulker. Like I said, we've seen around 12 lbs. on most logs in a matter of 2-3 weeks.

And yes, PCT is required.

Ok that sounds good..did you get my email?

Also if anyone else has any stacks to add to this, or any other info I would appreciate it. I have been reading posts for the past couple hours and I must say this is so far my favorite forum regarding these things

 

[BigBlackguy]

Here's the reply to your email:

They are absolutely stackable, in fact, they are designed to be stacked. Androhard will keep fat off of you while boosting libido, energy and aggression. Andromass is a bit wetter, as in you may retain more water while using it, and using Androhard can help negate the water. Andromass will put on a lot of size for you. A lot of the logs have 150-200 lb. guys running the product.

Your supplement choices look good.

Bishop's 6 weeks AM & AH Log - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums (Andromass, Androhard)
Andromass log - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums (Andromass)
Andromass Strength Thoughts... - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums (Andromass)
ANDROMASS log - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums (Andromass)
Schwellington kicks summers ass with a mixture of things,(INC. ANDROHARD UNSPONSORED) - Anabolicminds.com (Androhard)
Lovin androhard! - Anabolicminds.com (Androhard)

 

[BigBlackguy]

Ok that sounds good..did you get my email?

Also if anyone else has any stacks to add to this, or any other info I would appreciate it. I have been reading posts for the past couple hours and I must say this is so far my favorite forum regarding these things

Ology is a great board.

 

[Stone-Cold]

Ology is a great board.

thanks for the reply... So how much is the stack?

 

[BigBlackguy]

thanks for the reply... So how much is the stack?

It would normally be around 330... but the discount I sent you will help bring it down.

 

[Stone-Cold]

It would normally be around 330... but the discount I sent you will help bring it down.

I never did see that email? when did you send it?

 

[BigBlackguy]

I never did see that email? when did you send it?

Oh?! Hmm... I'll get on that now then! Hushmail can be weird sometimes.

 

[BigBlackguy]

Email sent, sorry about that!