If your passed your genetic limit how do you keep gains off cycle? I don't understand

[goingtowin]

I don't understand how people keep gains after cycling and PCT...

Like okay you cycle and gain a bunch of muscle and strength beyond the genetic limit but they you have to go off of everything for SIXTEEN WEEKS (if cycle and pct was 16) So your testosterone and everything is back to normal at this point so why would the gains not vanish regardless of good training and diet? If you are past your genetic limit then you'd think that all of these strength and muscle gains would vanish in those 16 weeks. 4 months is a pretty long time.

Can someone explain this to me?

 

[halfwit]

I don't understand how people keep gains after cycling and PCT...

Like okay you cycle and gain a bunch of muscle and strength beyond the genetic limit but they you have to go off of everything for SIXTEEN WEEKS (if cycle and pct was 16) So your testosterone and everything is back to normal at this point so why would the gains not vanish regardless of good training and diet? If you are past your genetic limit then you'd think that all of these strength and muscle gains would vanish in those 16 weeks. 4 months is a pretty long time.

Can someone explain this to me?

You can't. Genetic limit means just that; what your body is able to create and sustain on its own. This is the one and only trap of the game, if you're in for long enough - be prepared to make it a life choice, or head back down to what mommy nature gave you.

 

[Teutonic]

DONE lol

 

[goingtowin]

You can't. Genetic limit means just that; what your body is able to create and sustain on its own. This is the one and only trap of the game, if you're in for long enough - be prepared to make it a life choice, or head back down to what mommy nature gave you.

But people keep the gains after passing their genetic limit all the time? How does this work? Is it only possible if you just stay on without cycling?

 

[luckypaul]

Make no mistake, you keep gains made on steroids by continued use of steroids. Welcome to the real world brother

 

[.Vision.]

But people keep the gains after passing their genetic limit all the time? How does this work? Is it only possible if you just stay on without cycling?

Listen, in a nut shell, people aren't speeding up their quest to the threshold of their genetic limit by meeting it half way,its merely Muscle hypertrophy through diet,training and AAS..There is NO fast forward option to your limits, the only "real life hack to meeting this goal" is simply "dedication and commitment",then there after it's blasting past personal bests again and again..

There is no telling what one could have achieved if they introduce AAS prematurely..

Have you ever seen in real life,like legit,someone take gear prematurely Vs someone that paid his time on the grind and in the kitchen with success and failures, baring a solid foundation,full muscle belly in most compartments, visible muscle separations and striated muscle tissue, and witness the outcome? They can NOT be practically compared with one an other..The difference is overwhelming!

 

[luckypaul]

I don't understand how people keep gains after cycling and PCT...

Like okay you cycle and gain a bunch of muscle and strength beyond the genetic limit but they you have to go off of everything for SIXTEEN WEEKS (if cycle and pct was 16) So your testosterone and everything is back to normal at this point so why would the gains not vanish regardless of good training and diet? If you are past your genetic limit then you'd think that all of these strength and muscle gains would vanish in those 16 weeks. 4 months is a pretty long time.

Can someone explain this to me?

You don't . What is so hard to understand. Pie in the sky is that you keep gains aftyer a cycle. You can use trt to keep alot, or if you are young you can run the perfect pct and keep some, but the only way you get to look like a juice monkey is to use juice.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

You can't. Genetic limit means just that; what your body is able to create and sustain on its own. This is the one and only trap of the game, if you're in for long enough - be prepared to make it a life choice, or head back down to what mommy nature gave you.

I dont agree. It is possible to build beyond your genetic limits and keep the gains. Once you build it is a matter of mantaining by diet and training. If you stop working out muscles shring and atrophy. If you dont consume enough protein or you dont replenish it post workout your body will be catabolic.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

You don't . What is so hard to understand. Pie in the sky is that you keep gains aftyer a cycle. You can use trt to keep alot, or if you are young you can run the perfect pct and keep some, but the only way you get to look like a juice monkey is to use juice.

You are mistaken. Its not hard to keep gains if you know how to recover or know how to avoid atrophying.
For instance if you run igf-1lr3 threw your whole cycle you wont shut down you natural testosterone production and wont atrophy. You body wont need pct.

 

[.Vision.]

I dont agree. It is possible to build beyond your genetic limits and keep the gains. Once you build it is a matter of mantaining by diet and training. If you stop working out muscles shring and atrophy. If you dont consume enough protein or you dont replenish it post workout your body will be catabolic.

I think Halfwit did stress this per his notion "be prepared to make it a life choice" Commitment? meaning whats expected, maintaining! This goes even without gear use (this you know, Im just putting it out there tho)..Any amount of acquired muscle through sports,training, work activities ext, would need nutrients, and load to sustain to a considerable degree.. At the end of the day, we still posses a genetic program/gene expression within ones internal network..Now versatility and adaptability once limits are stressed is a different story "muscle memory".. That's the beauty of this all! Don't you agree?

 

[jozifp103]

You are mistaken. Its not hard to keep gains if you know how to recover or know how to avoid atrophying.
For instance if you run igf-1lr3 threw your whole cycle you wont shut down you natural testosterone production and wont atrophy. You body wont need pct.

Igf-1 preventing shut down? I'm not so sure about that one. PCT is always required, igf-1 isn't going to stop shutdown.

As far as keeping gains past you natural limit. Not gonna happen....if you're able to maintain gains past your limit, then with that logic you'd be able to also achieve those gains naturally. You won't have anough anabolic hormones in your system naturally to sustain that kind of mass. Your androgen receptors need to be saturated with androgens to keep them anabolic and sustain that size....you can't do that with the amount of test you produce naturally.

 

[luckypaul]

You are mistaken. Its not hard to keep gains if you know how to recover or know how to avoid atrophying.
For instance if you run igf-1lr3 threw your whole cycle you wont shut down you natural testosterone production and wont atrophy. You body wont need pct.

I want photos

 

[luckypaul]

Im not saying you will lose all, unless you stop working out, and that happens, But it seems illogical to think we can keep gains using what in some cases is a boat load of steroids after we stop. If it was possible we would run 1 cycle and call it quits? I have never seen it.

 

[halfwit]

I dont agree. It is possible to build beyond your genetic limits and keep the gains. Once you build it is a matter of mantaining by diet and training. If you stop working out muscles shring and atrophy. If you dont consume enough protein or you dont replenish it post workout your body will be catabolic.

I had a feeling you were referring to my post in your new thread. Here's my question for you: Outside our myostatin limitations, what limits the amount of lean mass we can pack on our bodies?

AAS increases our ability to provide the nitrogen required to convert those raw materials needed to not only regenerate more tissue, but to also keep it at that level, no?

If it were simply a matter of diet and training, then I can't see there really even being such thing as a limit outside the amount of time needed to reach the amount of mass desired.

I absolutely am always looking to learn, but I know what would happen if I stopped my TRT injections - even if I continued to eat and train as I am now. (That's how I ended up morbidly obese; I didn't know testosterone played such a vital role).

Vision is correct in that my original message indicating a lifestyle commitment included the necessary foundation of diet with training.

 

[Megatron28]

I dont agree. It is possible to build beyond your genetic limits and keep the gains. Once you build it is a matter of mantaining by diet and training. If you stop working out muscles shring and atrophy. If you dont consume enough protein or you dont replenish it post workout your body will be catabolic.

Are you talking about maintaining while on TRT/Cruising or while one is Natty?

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

No im talking about maintaining gains after recovering.

 

[Hypnotix]

I'm totally waiting on someone to argue this actually. Had a thought.. how do we really know what our genetic limit is, if we started using AAS before ever hitting the wall?

I'd be willing to bet half of us are out of this conversation because it simply doesn't apply..

If I've cycled once and I recover.. but don't recover to exactly where I was before, just a bit worse off.. then my genetic limit has lowered? Cause I won't ever have as optimal of hormone levels as a natty again.

Then there's how much variation there can be amongst every person.. we all are built different.. perform different.

How long would someone need to run 500mg of Test to determine they've reached their bodies limits on that dose of test? Could even my TRT dose ever sustain that limit set by 500mg? So how doesn't that apply to cycling, recovering, and sustaining mass after? There's no way in hell if I do GH and Test for a year, and become a lean 240lbs.. I'll never EVERYTHING be able to maintain that with diet, and excercise... we have to be realistic here.

 

[Ziegler]

Make no mistake, you keep gains made on steroids by continued use of steroids. Welcome to the real world brother

How is it possible to know a genetic limit ? I highly doubt it is possible. If you started eating and lifting from the time you were 18 years old until you were say 50 then maybe but otherwise I think you would only be guessing. I think you might be mistaking a genetic limit with a genetic spot that is easily maintained.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Well genetic limits at 20 is a joke. How many 20 year olds cant gain a pound but at 30 could be 50 pounds heavier. I was 75 pounds heaver an 30 than 20.

 

[WhatTRTmayCome]

Id like to know this also, like OP said your 16 weeks on/pct then your off 16 weeks, what happens in the 16 weeks off...were rehabbing the body but were not pining, how do we keep what gains we made in cycle 1?

Whats the protocol here...