IGF-1 Gene Therapy ?

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By Clive Cookson in Seattle

A new form of gene therapy being developed to help people with muscle-wasting disease could be used to enhance athletic performance through "gene doping".


The scientist leading the research, Lee Sweeney of the University of Pennsylvania, told the American Association for the Advancement of Science about a new study in his laboratory in which genes for a growth factor called IGF-1 were injected into the hind legs of rats. The animals then spent a few weeks on a "weight training protocol".


The muscles in the legs injected with IGF-1 gained twice as much strength as the uninjected legs, Dr Sweeney said. "Additionally, the rate at which the strength was lost in the injected muscles once the training was stopped was very slow compared to the uninjected," he said. "Even without any training, injection of [IGF-1 genes] gave a 15 per cent strength increase."


The purpose of developing IGF-1 gene therapy is to treat muscular disorders, including muscle loss associated with disuse or ageing. But Dr Sweeney said the tests showed it "could also be used in healthy adults to build muscle strength and make muscle more resistant to damage".


"This is but one example of a number of gene therapies being developed with disease treatment as the goal but, if given to a healthy individual, would provide genetic enhancement of some trait," he said.


"The prospects are particularly high that muscle-directed gene therapy will be used by the athletic community for performance enhancement."


Such gene doping would be hard to detect. Richard Pound, chancellor of McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, who is chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency told the meeting the development of genetic enhancements for athletes paralleled that of performance-enhancing drugs 30 or 40 years ago, when detection techniques and regulatory mechanisms were not in place. He said: "With genetic enhancement we want to make sure we're in there from the start."


Wada is working with Dr Sweeney and other gene therapy researchers to find ways to identify athletes who use gene therapy to cheat.

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Do any of you guys know anything about GDF8 Myostatin antybody I believe this the future of bodybuilding, has anyone out there tried this stuff yet ?
 
That article is good if you're going to use IGF-1, since it stays in the injected muscle, but every one uses LR3 IGF-1, which doesn't stay in the injected muscle.

This is one of the reason I always call it by it's right name LR3 IGF-1, with everyone calling it IGF-1 people find some info on IGF-1 and thing it applies to LR3 IGF-1 and it doesn't. Which adds to the confusion when people are trying to do research on LR3 IGF-1, it was a common mistake in the early days of research on this stuff. You can read old post that use IGF-1 info and apply it to LR3 IGF-1.

This is not a slam on you Bro, if everyone would start calling LR3 by it's right name the confusion would pretty much stop.

The reason the one leg grow more then the other one in the article is because IGF-1 is easily bound by IGF-1 Binding Protein, which keeps it in the injection site. LR3 has 13 added amino acid to it, which causes it to bind poorly to IGF-1 BP, so it doesn't stay at the injection site. IGF-1 BP is a good thing when you have a wound because fluid goes to the wound site (the body can send more but an injection is limited), that's what we call "the pump" it's fluid going to the broken down muscle. In that fluid is IGF-1 BP to keep IGF-1 at the wound site to start the healing process. But this limits IGF-1 to a 20 minute or so half life. The good thing about LR3 is it has a have life of 6-12 hours, so you get more benefit from it in the worked muscles, because it's in the blood stream, so it'll hit the wound or worked muscle more then IGF-1.

This is why it not neccesery to inject into the worked muscle with LR3, like you have to do with IGF-1.

JohnnyB
 
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subdcon1 said:
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By Clive Cookson in Seattle

A new form of gene therapy being developed to help people with muscle-wasting disease could be used to enhance athletic performance through "gene doping".


The scientist leading the research, Lee Sweeney of the University of Pennsylvania, told the American Association for the Advancement of Science about a new study in his laboratory in which genes for a growth factor called IGF-1 were injected into the hind legs of rats. The animals then spent a few weeks on a "weight training protocol".


The muscles in the legs injected with IGF-1 gained twice as much strength as the uninjected legs, Dr Sweeney said. "Additionally, the rate at which the strength was lost in the injected muscles once the training was stopped was very slow compared to the uninjected," he said. "Even without any training, injection of [IGF-1 genes] gave a 15 per cent strength increase."


The purpose of developing IGF-1 gene therapy is to treat muscular disorders, including muscle loss associated with disuse or ageing. But Dr Sweeney said the tests showed it "could also be used in healthy adults to build muscle strength and make muscle more resistant to damage".


"This is but one example of a number of gene therapies being developed with disease treatment as the goal but, if given to a healthy individual, would provide genetic enhancement of some trait," he said.


"The prospects are particularly high that muscle-directed gene therapy will be used by the athletic community for performance enhancement."


Such gene doping would be hard to detect. Richard Pound, chancellor of McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, who is chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency told the meeting the development of genetic enhancements for athletes paralleled that of performance-enhancing drugs 30 or 40 years ago, when detection techniques and regulatory mechanisms were not in place. He said: "With genetic enhancement we want to make sure we're in there from the start."


Wada is working with Dr Sweeney and other gene therapy researchers to find ways to identify athletes who use gene therapy to cheat.

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I wish the anti doping commitee would go take a flying fuck off the planet!!!
God forbid a healthy adult enhances himself!!!! Why does it even matter????
Who fucking really cares besides these dumb fuckers?
They are chasing phatoms. Everytime something is metioned (it doesn't matter whether it this or something totally new) there is always the interjection of " there is fear this could be used to enhance atheletic performance" by the ioc or some other dicks!!!!!
The "OH my god " factor just isn't there. It's more the"Who fucking cares" And "Good". Why should the masses be so disgusted and appauled when comestic surgery is at an all time high? :Pat: Christ just look at the Swan!!!
They straight up risk death several times. Then deliver the ignorant ass speech after they win saying how looks don't matter :shoot4:
 
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EZstreet said:
I wish the anti doping commitee would go take a flying fuck off the planet!!!
God forbid a healthy adult enhances himself!!!! Why does it even matter????
Who fucking really cares besides these dumb fuckers?
They are chasing phatoms. Everytime something is metioned (it doesn't matter whether it this or something totally new) there is always the interjection of " there is fear this could be used to enhance atheletic performance" by the ioc or some other dicks!!!!!
The "OH my god " factor just isn't there. It's more the"Who fucking cares" And "Good". Why should the masses be so disgusted and appauled when comestic surgery is at an all time high? :Pat: Christ just look at the Swan!!!
They straight up risk death several times. Then deliver the ignorant ass speech after they win saying how looks don't matter :shoot4:
Bro, you are perfectly on target........the only way performance enhancement drugs will EVER be eradicated is if you take away competetive sports and that is not going to happen. Hundreds of people die every year from botched plastic surgery, a handful of people have ever died from steroids and/or complications from them (even those can be disputed) yet steroids are illegal???? How did this get so twisted and turned around that killing under the knife in the quest for beauty is OK, but taking some hormones is not?

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!

This country has gotten so far off track on its quality of life priorities and it is just fucking sad. I can think of a lot of hypocritical politicians that can join the anti-doping committee in that flying fuck off the planet!
 
JohnnyB said:
That article is good if you're going to use IGF-1, since it stays in the injected muscle, but every one uses LR3 IGF-1, which doesn't stay in the injected muscle.

This is one of the reason I always call it by it's right name LR3 IGF-1, with everyone calling it IGF-1 people find some info on IGF-1 and thing it applies to LR3 IGF-1 and it doesn't. Which adds to the confusion when people are trying to do research on LR3 IGF-1, it was a common mistake in the early days of research on this stuff. You can read old post that use IGF-1 info and apply it to LR3 IGF-1.

This is not a slam on you Bro, if everyone would start calling LR3 by it's right name the confusion would pretty much stop.

The reason the one leg grow more then the other one in the article is because IGF-1 is easily bound by IGF-1 Binding Protein, which keeps it in the injection site. LR3 has 13 added amino acid to it, which causes it to bind poorly to IGF-1 BP, so it doesn't stay at the injection site. IGF-1 BP is a good thing when you have a wound because fluid goes to the wound site (the body can send more but an injection is limited), that's what we call "the pump" it's fluid going to the broken down muscle. In that fluid is IGF-1 BP to keep IGF-1 at the wound site to start the healing process. But this limits IGF-1 to a 20 minute or so half life. The good thing about LR3 is it has a have life of 6-12 hours, so you get more benefit from it in the worked muscles, because it's in the blood stream, so it'll hit the wound or worked muscle more then IGF-1.

This is why it not neccesery to inject into the worked muscle with LR3, like you have to do with IGF-1.

JohnnyB

that clarified it for me, this issue has been confusing the shit out of me for some time
 
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