interesting read on eating for muscle gains

[Enthusiast]

Thanks for the info rip, great looking study!

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Lmao guys im not trying to discredit rip.. I respect his input and his opinion

Lol I think they missed the part where you agreed with me

Hopefully guys looking through this learn a few things & educate themselves.
This isn't a me vs 3J or me vs DPR battle, the whole point of debates like this is so that you guys can learn about things related to bodybuilding & nutrition so that you can improve your own programmes.

So hopefully, the winners from this debate are the viewers.

 

[Enthusiast]

Lol I think they missed the part where you agreed with me

Hopefully guys looking through this learn a few things & educate themselves.
This isn't a me vs 3J or me vs DPR battle, the whole point of debates like this is so that you guys can learn about things related to bodybuilding & nutrition so that you can improve your own programmes.

So hopefully, the winners from this debate are the viewers.

You mean we don't get to see you 3 step into a ring and last man standing is right?

But joking aside I appreciate all 3 of you taking the time to give your ideas and have a constructive discussion, I agree that all of us watching are the ones who benefit since you all know your stuff!

Keep up the fantastic work!

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Would hydrolyzed whey protein work better than whey isolate for replenishing glycogen DPR? Or is the whey isolate protein better than the hydrolyzed whey protein?

Hydrolyzed protein is processed. It just not good for you. There is no need to hydrolyze whey.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

The use of carbohydrates is to trigger the production of insulin and an anabolic state that is un-nessasary post workout because the body is still anabolic for 15 minutes post work out and producing insulin.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

The use of carbohydrates is to trigger the production of insulin and an anabolic state that is un-nessasary post workout because the body is still anabolic for 15 minutes post work out and producing insulin.

I agreed that you dont need carbs immediately postworkout because replenishing glycogen isnt necessary at that time if your overall carb intake is sufficient.
The review I linked above basically states the same thing.

My point is simply starchy carbs beats protein for replenishing muscle glycogen regardless of overall caloric intake, macros or timing.

I think in your 2nd post you meant that protein only is sufficient postworkout (agreed) rather than whey protein being the best thing to replenish glycogen stores (which it isnt).

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

The debate with dpr was concerning the best way to replenish glycogen, he stated very clearly that he believed that whey protein was best, I disagreed & human physiology is on my side with this man.

How would a post anabolic window suddenly make protein a better source for glycogen replenishment over carbs?
How would it alter a meta-bolic pathway to suddenly decide to use protein to restore glycogen but ALSO deal with tge issue of muscle tissue damage & repair?

We cant say that 70-80g protein will do it IF you use insulin, have normal meals etc.
This is the equivalent to me saying sugar pills will help you lose fat if you follow a caloric deficit & do cardio.

Does protein in ISOLATION replenish glycogen better than carbs & if so where is the evidence?
Let me just say that there are no studies suggesting this is the case, and meta-bolic pathways like this isn't something you can determine based in experience or opinion - it requires biological evidence.

Also, 1.5 days isnt enough time to go into a ketogenic state lol.

Here is why Whey isolate is the best thing. It is because it is absorbed in the stomach not the intestine. It is rapidly available to be converted to glycogen. The carbs are needed to trigger the production of insulin. If your eating at the right times the body already is anabolic and doesn't need the carbs.

 

[GOTGrowth]

Here is why Whey isolate is the best thing. It is because it is absorbed in the stomach not the intestine. It is rapidly available to be converted to glycogen. The carbs are needed to trigger the production of insulin. If your eating at the right times the body already is anabolic and doesn't need the carbs.

So double up on the protein and cut the carbs post workout?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Here is why Whey isolate is the best thing. It is because it is absorbed in the stomach not the intestine. It is rapidly available to be converted to glycogen. The carbs are needed to trigger the production of insulin. If your eating at the right times the body already is anabolic and doesn't need the carbs.

I've already stated that protein only is sufficient postworkout, my point remains that it will never beat carbs for glycogen replenishment if its isolated.

Also, carbs are needed to lower ampk, optimize thyroid & test levels and to efficiently replenish glycogen levels - its not just insulin.
All of this can be ignored if your on cycle using insulin, t3, etc but in the natural state protein cannot accomplisb these additional benefits regardless of how much your taking in -this is a physiological fact.

I dont know why you wont agree with me that in isolation, gram for gram, protein never beats carbs for muscle glycogen replenishment lol but thats fine.
A simple look at the studies & any biology or physiology book will confirm it

 

[MagicMo]

Total bs. If you want to put on muscle your need protein not carbs.Look at the dates in the foot notes. It's old an out dated.

couldn't agree more..

 

[Enthusiast]

couldn't agree more..

You should read the rest of the posts and you would learn more lol