Drveejay11
Community Veteran
(By Andy13....and 2 other people that responded with intelligent remarks)
Dbol during first few weeks of a cycle.
1. A lot of guys will take dbol for (only) the first 2,3,4 weeks in a cycle. This is very popular, but what is the reasoning behind this type of plan?
This could be an effort to minimize toxicity associated with the compound, although I see doses >50mg/day being used. If this is the case, I don't think there would be much difference (as far as toxicity) in taking 50mg/day for 4 weeks or 25mg/day for 8 weeks. In fact, the longer, lesser dose may be less toxic.
The second reason for this type of dosing would be to "kick start" a cycle..
I don't think taking dbol in the beginning of a cycle is nearly as effective as font end loading injectables..
Here's why. Dbol is a poor AR agonist. It's primary mode of action is unknown... Everyone agrees that a "dbol only" cycle is near worthless, right? That's because the 'unknown' muscle building effects of dbol allegedly occur outside the AR and are supposedly "synergystic" with strong AR binders. So using dbol early in the cycle until injectables are built up to maximal theraputic blood concentration is a lot like doing a dbol only cycle for the first few weeks. So, in all actuality, the dbol is not really "kick starting" your cycle. To really kick start your cycle, you need to load your injectables.
If dbol is alleged to be synergystic with AR binding androgens, why not take dbol for the full 8 weeks?
-Andy13
RESPONSE #1:
A lot of "experts" feel that b-bol is actually pretty damn benign from a hepatotoxicity standpoint.From what I've gathered,if there happens to be any liver strain,damage or whatever it is almost always totally reversible upon discontinuation.
A russian friend translated the package insert that follows with the russian dbol and therapeutic dosage was up to 50mg for 8 weeks.It also said "large overdoses over long periods of time may cause jaundice but is totally reversible upon discontinuation".
The whole hepatotoxicity issue is debated alot.The potential is real but probably overstated,IMO.I have several friends who have ingested gross overdosages of dbol,like 40-50 tabs per day or 2000 pinks over a 12 weeks stack and none of them seem to have gotten liver damage.Enzymes have been normal several weeks after the cycle.
1. http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/p...ID=84&issueID=8
RESPONSE #2:
I think oral toxicity is overrated. I read a study about anadrol, the supposed most toxic of them all. It was done on elderly men, ages 65-80. They were divided into 3 groups. One placebo, one 50mg ed, and one 100mg ed. In 6 weeks, there were no siginifigant changes in PSA, total or LDL chloresterol levels, or fasting triglycerides. However in the 50 and 100mg groups, HDL chloresterol was reduced by 19 and 23 points respectively. Liver values increased only in the 100mg group(transaminases AST and ALT), but they were not dramatic, and not accompanied by hepatic enlargement or the development of a serious liver condition.
refs cited:
Effects of oral androgens on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men. Schroeder et al. A, J Physiol Endocrinal Metab 284: E120-28
Dbol during first few weeks of a cycle.
1. A lot of guys will take dbol for (only) the first 2,3,4 weeks in a cycle. This is very popular, but what is the reasoning behind this type of plan?
This could be an effort to minimize toxicity associated with the compound, although I see doses >50mg/day being used. If this is the case, I don't think there would be much difference (as far as toxicity) in taking 50mg/day for 4 weeks or 25mg/day for 8 weeks. In fact, the longer, lesser dose may be less toxic.
The second reason for this type of dosing would be to "kick start" a cycle..
I don't think taking dbol in the beginning of a cycle is nearly as effective as font end loading injectables..
Here's why. Dbol is a poor AR agonist. It's primary mode of action is unknown... Everyone agrees that a "dbol only" cycle is near worthless, right? That's because the 'unknown' muscle building effects of dbol allegedly occur outside the AR and are supposedly "synergystic" with strong AR binders. So using dbol early in the cycle until injectables are built up to maximal theraputic blood concentration is a lot like doing a dbol only cycle for the first few weeks. So, in all actuality, the dbol is not really "kick starting" your cycle. To really kick start your cycle, you need to load your injectables.
If dbol is alleged to be synergystic with AR binding androgens, why not take dbol for the full 8 weeks?
-Andy13
RESPONSE #1:
A lot of "experts" feel that b-bol is actually pretty damn benign from a hepatotoxicity standpoint.From what I've gathered,if there happens to be any liver strain,damage or whatever it is almost always totally reversible upon discontinuation.
A russian friend translated the package insert that follows with the russian dbol and therapeutic dosage was up to 50mg for 8 weeks.It also said "large overdoses over long periods of time may cause jaundice but is totally reversible upon discontinuation".
The whole hepatotoxicity issue is debated alot.The potential is real but probably overstated,IMO.I have several friends who have ingested gross overdosages of dbol,like 40-50 tabs per day or 2000 pinks over a 12 weeks stack and none of them seem to have gotten liver damage.Enzymes have been normal several weeks after the cycle.
1. http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/p...ID=84&issueID=8
RESPONSE #2:
I think oral toxicity is overrated. I read a study about anadrol, the supposed most toxic of them all. It was done on elderly men, ages 65-80. They were divided into 3 groups. One placebo, one 50mg ed, and one 100mg ed. In 6 weeks, there were no siginifigant changes in PSA, total or LDL chloresterol levels, or fasting triglycerides. However in the 50 and 100mg groups, HDL chloresterol was reduced by 19 and 23 points respectively. Liver values increased only in the 100mg group(transaminases AST and ALT), but they were not dramatic, and not accompanied by hepatic enlargement or the development of a serious liver condition.
refs cited:
Effects of oral androgens on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men. Schroeder et al. A, J Physiol Endocrinal Metab 284: E120-28
