Jim's Daily Low Dose HCG Expierement

[Jimstigator]

Hey fellas,

As you may or may not have seen me post - my body has a tough time with HCG. In the past, every time I have tried to add it, I have big issues and stop. Burning sensation in nips despite low estrogen, anxiety, complete loss of appetite, mood swings, etc. The list goes on and on. That was always at 250iu twice a week.

Although not discussed much around here, there are HCG dosing schemes other than 250-500iu twice a week. Recently, Dr. Crisler wrote a bit about low daily doses (100iu), or even as wild as twice a day dosing for stubborn patients. Not only does this stimulate natural production a little closer, it also gets rid of some of the peaks/valleys injecting it only twice a week.

For the past two months, I have been injecting 50mg test cyp E3.5D, resulting in a TT of 650-780 and an E2 of 12-20. Last week, I added in 50iu of HCG daily, and will stay on it for a while.

Granted, I think I am a hyper responder to HCG, but my testes, at 50iu a day for the past 7 days, are already nearly back to full size and firmness, from shrived prunes after 10 months test cyp only. From day one of HCG injections, I started to feel a sensation down below, and its continued on. Symptoms have been manageable, with slight anxiety yesterday, but that's it.

I'll be getting T and sensitive E tested every two weeks for the next few months. Further, throughout my TRT journey, I have had fertility testing done. Pre-TRT results were perfect, but after 6 months, I was essentially infertile. I will resume this testing in a month or two, hoping that even a low dose can restore my testicular function to normal.

I get it... low dose HCG don't work for everyone, but if all of us were the same, we wouldn't be lingering around a TRT forum gathering up info. Hopefully this is a decent option for guys like me who have a tough time at higher doses.

Thats it, thats all.
Jim

 

[Un1baller]

Very interesting to see how this works for you. I started TRT at 50mg every 3.5 days 2 weeks ago, and my lone testicle is aching and atrophied already. I will be adding 250 iu of HCG every 3.5 days next week, hope that protocol work for me.

 

[Jimstigator]

Very interesting to see how this works for you. I started TRT at 50mg every 3.5 days 2 weeks ago, and my lone testicle is aching and atrophied already. I will be adding 250 iu of HCG every 3.5 days next week, hope that protocol work for me.

For most, that works just fine.

 

[Megatron28]

Have you considered injecting the testosterone daily as well? If you are already pinning every day, why not?

 

[Jimstigator]

Have you considered injecting the testosterone daily as well? If you are already pinning every day, why not?

I'm having that debate in my head right now. Since I feel better at mid level TT and assume the HCG will give me a little boost, I am going to change the test injections in either dose, frequency, or both to lower a bit. Right now it's twice a week at 50. Considered going to EOD at 22mg per shot so about 77 a week or 40mg twice a week.

Almost everyone around here discourages anything more frequent than E3D. You seen guys who like it, even with cyp?

My Dr, who is pretty damn good, has always recommended EOD. Then I see others like Crisler recommend 3.5-7 day gaps, and IMT recommend 5.

Thanks!
Jim

 

[Megatron28]

Don't change your test dose right away. Try to only make one change at a time. Then you can isolate the effects of said change much easier.

 

[Jimstigator]

So far, so good! Nips haven't lit on fire like previous HCG attempts. I am a few weeks in and testes are near, if not at, normal size again. Only took about two weeks to reach what I remember to be full firmness and size. Quantity is also up so I'm hopeful sperm counts are on the rise. Sensation is better for sure.

I was noticing that even at 50iu a day, I felt weird early afternoon after each morning shot. I took a day off and it didn't happen. I have since moved my injections to evening, around 8pm... putting the weird zone in the middle of the night.

Maybe slight mood increase, not much libido.

Guess time will tell.

-Jim

 

[Jimstigator]

Small update. TT this past week is up 250 points from last reading. Test dose of 40mg E3.5D is constant. Addition of 50iu HCG every day for the past month and a half seems to have given me a boost. I feel better with slightly lower TT, so I might drop tcyp dose down to 60 or 70 a week over two shots instead of the current 80.

Testes are pretty much normal size again. Going to test fertility in the coming month or two.

-Jim

 

[Megatron28]

Small update. TT this past week is up 250 points from last reading. Test dose of 40mg E3.5D is constant. Addition of 50iu HCG every day for the past month and a half seems to have given me a boost. I feel better with slightly lower TT, so I might drop tcyp dose down to 60 or 70 a week over two shots instead of the current 80.

Testes are pretty much normal size again. Going to test fertility in the coming month or two.

-Jim

Are you concerned about any harm your hCG protocol may cause to your Leydig Cells? Have you given this a look into to make sure it is ok?

 

[Jimstigator]

Are you concerned about any harm your hCG protocol may cause to your Leydig Cells? Have you given this a look into to make sure it is ok?

The furthest look I have taken is that Dr Crisler and Mariano recommend it if you are willing to shoot daily. You can't possibly think this is riskier the the 250-500iu blasts someone like IMT or even yourself recommends?

Don't you think a small dose daily is much more in line with natural production that the two larger shots you take a week?

I take less in a week than most guys take per shot. When I did 250iu twice a week, my testes were massive. Now they are around, if not a notch smaller, than pre-hormone issues. They don't seem over stimulated, but what do I know. Just going off Dr. advice.

You have any reason to suspect this protocol could cause harm, or just showing concern for a fellow broski trying to iron out his hormones?

-Jim

 

[johnfromeurope]

I'm really interested why some people(i have read 2 cases so far) react that way to hCG. It is very similar to LH on the molecular level. It should be LH analog. But nobody reacts like this to LH.
It also raises me question, how safe it is for long term use, not just for testes and hpta, but for the whole body.
Maybe the future is in puting GnRH into the body or stimulating GnRH production somehow? Why don't we use the LH itself instead of hCG? I guess because of the half life? Sorry for a little bit of offtopic.

 

[Jimstigator]

I'm really interested why some people(i have read 2 cases so far) react that way to hCG. It is very similar to LH on the molecular level. It should be LH analog. But nobody reacts like this to LH.
It also raises me question, how safe it is for long term use, not just for testes and hpta, but for the whole body.
Maybe the future is in puting GnRH into the body or stimulating GnRH production somehow? Why don't we use the LH itself instead of hCG? I guess because of the half life? Sorry for a little bit of offtopic.

I can say, with little doubt in my mind, that they are similar for sure, but also very different. While on Nolvadex, I had perfect LH levels (I wasn't low). As I moved to TRT, that value obviously dropped to zero. I then tried HCG and even the smallest bit of HCG causes me issues. The amounts most guys around here use to stimulate testes back to pre-TRT levels, AKA LH replacement... I literally feel like I'm dying.

-Jim

 

[Jimstigator]

To put some closure on this - I recently had a semen analysis and all is well again. I went from zero back to normal in a few months of this protocol - 50iu ED.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

What's your numbers for the SA?

 

[Alpin]

I can say, with little doubt in my mind, that they are similar for sure, but also very different. While on Nolvadex, I had perfect LH levels (I wasn't low). As I moved to TRT, that value obviously dropped to zero. I then tried HCG and even the smallest bit of HCG causes me issues. The amounts most guys around here use to stimulate testes back to pre-TRT levels, AKA LH replacement... I literally feel like I'm dying.

-Jim

What do you mean you "literally feel like you're dying"??

 

[Alpin]

The furthest look I have taken is that Dr Crisler and Mariano recommend it if you are willing to shoot daily. You can't possibly think this is riskier the the 250-500iu blasts someone like IMT or even yourself recommends?

Don't you think a small dose daily is much more in line with natural production that the two larger shots you take a week?

I take less in a week than most guys take per shot. When I did 250iu twice a week, my testes were massive. Now they are around, if not a notch smaller, than pre-hormone issues. They don't seem over stimulated, but what do I know. Just going off Dr. advice.

You have any reason to suspect this protocol could cause harm, or just showing concern for a fellow broski trying to iron out his hormones?

-Jim

Depends on the person. 250 I.u. twice weekly is low for me(personally). A guy with primary hypo will need a higher dose of HCG in order to maintain testes size.

 

[Jimstigator]

What do you mean you "literally feel like you're dying"??

Just not well. That is an exaggeration for sure. Lost appetite, energy, libido, well-being, mood, etc, etc. I was getting labs all the while and they didn't reveal much.

 

[juced_porkchop]

To put some closure on this - I recently had a semen analysis and all is well again. I went from zero back to normal in a few months of this protocol - 50iu ED.

-Jim

awesome ! glad this worked out for you!
may hop on some HCG (im on hrt) in a year to quicken putting a minnie me into production lol

 

[Jimstigator]

awesome ! glad this worked out for you!
may hop on some HCG (im on hrt) in a year to quicken putting a minnie me into production lol

For me, it worked! No minnie Jims yet, but the swimmers are ready. Pre-TRT, I had silverback gorilla levels of fertility. 8 months in - zero. Few months of HCG at the dose mentioned, 50iu a day - back to normal across the board.

I am secondary for sure - balls always worked just fine. Likely why such a small dose works for me.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

For me, it worked! No minnie Jims yet, but the swimmers are ready. Pre-TRT, I had silverback gorilla levels of fertility. 8 months in - zero. Few months of HCG at the dose mentioned, 50iu a day - back to normal across the board.

I am secondary for sure - balls always worked just fine. Likely why such a small dose works for me.

-Jim

Your pre TRT SA was pretty decent...?
U had lowish T too obviously before going on TRT....no?