Jintropin 191 amino acid and Kexing 192?

wow, to think that there are tons of people getting kexings.....in the future, when im getting GH, im going to definitely get jinos....
 
einstein1905 said:
VIPBB is the board.

Invite only? Can anyone hook me up w/access over there, I'm sure I have atleast 3 good refs!:D

einstein1905 said:
......this still isn't great news though. The add'l water just dilutes the protein so that when injected, there will be less "immunogen" per unit area, and this will be less likely to elicit a response.

Very good point einstein! I had looked in to testing some generic rHGH I could have gotten my hands on but the test itself was going to run me a little over $600.......a little to rich for my likings just to find out if it was legit.
 
einstein1905 said:
Mamta made a good point on VIPBB regarding this issue. he said that thos egetting welts were advised to use more water to reconstitute, and this caused no more welts (Stonecold said this too). This tells me that most likely the welts are due to just a lot of residual bacterial protein......this still isn't great news though. The add'l water just dilutes the protein so that when injected, there will be less "immunogen" per unit area, and this will be less likely to elicit a response. However, there is no guarantee that this will necessarily work in all cases. So, it appears to be a purity issue rather than a sequence issue, but the results can be the same, as mentioned earlier.


He actually told me to use less water.......0.2 ml per 6iu vial

I have switched to bac water and cut it down from 0.6 ml that comes with the kits to 0.4 ml of bac water.

I'd also like to clarify that I never got any painful welts, just a small red blothy area around the injection site, and it only happened after the second shot on the day after reconstitution, not the day I mixed it.
 
I don't think the red welt thing is a good indicator.

I get red welts from injecting B-12 to fast sometimes! (or too much in one site, too)
 
einstein1905 said:
Mamta made a good point on VIPBB regarding this issue. he said that thos egetting welts were advised to use more water to reconstitute, and this caused no more welts (Stonecold said this too). This tells me that most likely the welts are due to just a lot of residual bacterial protein......this still isn't great news though. The add'l water just dilutes the protein so that when injected, there will be less "immunogen" per unit area, and this will be less likely to elicit a response. However, there is no guarantee that this will necessarily work in all cases. So, it appears to be a purity issue rather than a sequence issue, but the results can be the same, as mentioned earlier.

Since I don't have access to vipbb (yet) was there any resolution?
 
Well as far as Kexing being 192 and that form of GH only being capable of being left out of the fridge for a couple of days, this is off their website:
16.SHELF LIFE
The powder for injection is assigned a shelf life of 24 months when stored cold at +2 - +8¡æ.
Storage for one month can take place in room temperature.
Reconstituted FITTROPIN with preservative may be stored cold at +2 - +8¡æfor 2 weeks protected
from light.
 
Just an update...
Kexing did admit that fitropin is 192aa. However, they also are very confident in their purification methods......


I'm a bit torn on this.

I will grant that the early studies where 192aa GH had been shown to elicit neutralizing antibodies could very well be due to the poorer purification methods of 10-15yrs ago and the resulting high levels of residual bacterial protein.

There is still the fact that I have received PMs and emails from several people that have still experienced welts with Fitropin. I know adjusting the reconstitution volume has worked for at least one person, but that doesn't explain why there were welts in the first place....this simply should not occur. I'm not sure what to say at this point.
 
How good is Generic HGH 120iu kit (somatropin)?

Also...Ive read this paragraph on a couple of my sources lists, and they all say pretty much the following about Kexing:

This product is a bit new in the market but none the less a top quality product.

"Its quality is so good that the Chinese Govt has taken its 6iu kit as a Standard for the Chinese market. This product comes with out water but water is very cheap to purchase and can be gotten from the following site. The company recommends sterile water for their kits "

So if this company is so good in quality around china, why do we have problems with it? may it be the alteration of the 192aa bacterial growth during the shipping period?
 
yes it is true that they say its 192 amino acid sequence.
they also say that their gh is 99.9 percent pure and the highest purification available in the chinese market.
i think jins purification is lesser than this again iam not sure. so if someone can correct me if iam wrong.
here is my experience with selling this stuff.
i have done quite a bit of sales on it. and as i have said on another board there are only two complaints that i have gotten( they were getting welts one is stonecoldnto (a mod here) and the other is a dude from bb4l). both the complaints were solved by using less water and the users switching over to bac water.
now this could be coincedence but both these complaints were from users who had used the new kits which had water accompanied with them. now this water is sterile water that is accompanied with it.
previously the kits were coming without water and a lot of ppl were buying their own water and this i presume to be bac water. so maybe the water could be a problem. as previously there were no complaints.
so i feel maybe the water is the problem for the small percentage who got the welts. just my analysis.
also i may point out that the two ppl who got the welts solved the problem by reducing the water intake with the gh to .2ml-.4ml. ( bac water) the original box has .6ml of sterile water for 6iu gh. so if it were the prob with the growth hormone itself than these two ppl would not have solved this problem immediately after taking less water and switching over to bac water. the problem would have presisted but in both cases it was solved immediately.
i personally use about .2ml.3ml water with 6ius of this gh and am doing good on it.
i do not like to take more than that as i feel that water is just a means to get the gh inside your system and has no other value so i try to use the minimum amount of it.
 
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gymphreak said:
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So if this company is so good in quality around china, why do we have problems with it? may it be the alteration of the 192aa bacterial growth during the shipping period? [/B]

The company has shown tests were the gh was kept at 40degrees centigrade for 14days and than later tested for its stability and the tests came out right. so i do not believe that it is the problem which can come with shipping. as it is quite stable.
 
Ok so we might have solved the welting problem via the water issue....we are being told that the Chinese government has taken its 6iu kit as a Standard for the Chinese market......well thats wonderful, so does this mean that I will NOT produce anti-GH a-bodies due to thier purification process??
 
I'd say we'll be OK.....if you did develop these anti-bodies, from what I've gathered here, you would notice the rHGH not working.

I take it that you're still getting good results ?
 
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