Joint pain Deca vs NPP which works better and effects of deca on joints

[Mad- scientist]

So I've been reading about deca and Npp and some people say that deca works better for joint pain than Npp. Also I was wondering does deca or Npp actually have the ability to help heal joint pain for good? I just started a cycle and on my first day I worked out I noticed a odd pain in my right shoulder joint. It was when I was doing just really light warm up sets. Well it is slowly getting worse I feel and I don't want it to interfere in my cycle so I am thinking about using Deca or Npp to help with recovery of the joint and to just take away the pain and make working out easier. What is your guy's thoughts on all of this? My questions are basically which is better npp or deca. And also will either one of those take a way joint pain or heal it. And could using either substance possibly cause long term damage to the joint from working it out if it does have a slight injury?

 

[Austinite]

Both are the same thing. NPP just works faster. But if you had joint discomfort that deca could mask, it wouldn't be in one shoulder. It's likely to be in multiple synovial joints. Sounds like you have an injury. Deca won't do much for that.

 

[Mad- scientist]

So do you think it would be smart to maybe just do higher repetitions instead of going heavy. Maybe like just doing reps of 20 or something like that instead of 10? Im just trying to not ruin this cycle.

 

[Austinite]

So do you think it would be smart to maybe just do higher repetitions instead of going heavy. Maybe like just doing reps of 20 or something like that instead of 10? Im just trying to not ruin this cycle.

Well I would tend to the shoulder first. Until then, yes, don't lift heavy.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Lol I know this is a question every one asks but do you think if I got hgh it would help the injury to heal faster or anything?

 

[Optimal]

If it's just for a spot treatment to quickly heal an injury, I think the main consideration is that NPP will be quicker to kick in. Even still, it shines more in terms of preventing injury rather than treating pre-existing ones. GH would be much more ideal for spot treatment if you have access, and it doesn't take a whole lot.
The drug itself won't cause permanent damage but any time you work an injured shoulder, that's a possibility (however high/low, need to know your own body).

Outside of drugs, remember to do dynamic stretching pre-workout (circles, bands etc.) and try using a lacrosse or golf ball to lay on and really dig into the muscle.
I have had shoulder issues for years and never really started recovering until I focused on mobility, it's highly under-utilized.
And take it easy for a bit, really focus on using proper form on chest exercises in order to minimize shoulders from of the equation.

 

[Mad- scientist]

that's where I have felt the most pain was in chest exercises.

 

[Mad- scientist]

How long do you think I would have to run hgh to even get healing benefits from it and at what dosages?

 

[bigkit34]

Look into tb500 before thinking about hgh. A few of the vets on here say it works and i trust their opinion. Rui carries it too

 

[DreDay187]

So do you think it would be smart to maybe just do higher repetitions instead of going heavy. Maybe like just doing reps of 20 or something like that instead of 10? Im just trying to not ruin this cycle.

By switching the rep ranges you work in from 10 to 20 you'll also be changing the fuel source your body uses to power the work. One will use more energy from stored ATP pools while the other will lean more towards glycogenolysis. There's nothing wrong with this but strength gains from sets of 20 will be few and far in between but it will improve your anaerobic endurance for sure. I would jus lower intensity but keep similar rep ranges while mending your injury unless you want to improve the endurance aspect of your anaerobic pathways.

 

[Mad- scientist]

my only concern honestly is the bodybuilding side of working out I just want to get bigger on this cycle. I want to add size to all my muscle groups so I have more of a frame to work with. And then maybe my next cycle I might bulk again or do a cutting cycle depending on how big I am. Im just worried about gaining size strength doesn't matter to me. Im already pretty strong. Im not power lifter strong by any means but for some one who is trying to be a body builder I have enough strength to work with to accomplish my goals. I would like to add more strength in years to come but for right now my strength is good enough. I just want more size. I want to do a competition in the next year. I want to compete tell I get a first place prize in some sort of body building contest. Its just a goal I have had for a long time and I want to see how far I can push my body and mind.

 

[DreDay187]

my only concern honestly is the bodybuilding side of working out I just want to get bigger on this cycle. I want to add size to all my muscle groups so I have more of a frame to work with. And then maybe my next cycle I might bulk again or do a cutting cycle depending on how big I am. Im just worried about gaining size strength doesn't matter to me. Im already pretty strong. Im not power lifter strong by any means but for some one who is trying to be a body builder I have enough strength to work with to accomplish my goals. I would like to add more strength in years to come but for right now my strength is good enough. I just want more size. I want to do a competition in the next year. I want to compete tell I get a first place prize in some sort of body building contest. Its just a goal I have had for a long time and I want to see how far I can push my body and mind.

I hear what you're saying but my point is by working in such high rep ranges of ~20reps you forfeit strength AND size (myofibrillar AND sarcoplasmic hypertrophy) for endurance because of the metabolic pathway and muscle fiber recruitment differences. Even if strength is not a priority you shouldn't go past the 5-12rep range, again unless you want to work on your endurance capabilities. Your first goal is to make sure you're healthy and not make things worse. After that, keep a 5-12rep range with 80%+ intensity of 1RM and keep the big compound lifts and free weights. Keep eating in a caloric surplus and the size will come. You're not going to get much of size or strength doing super high reps but it is a great endurance boost and does help your ability to work through lactic acid fatigue.

 

[Optimal]

that's where I have felt the most pain was in chest exercises.

You could try out a more "powerlifting" stance during recovery to see if that helps. They recognize that shoulders are the weakest part of pressing exercises, and thus try to take them out of the equation as much as possible.
Shoulders completely back and together, pressed in the back as if you are crushing a can... back arched but while keeping butt & shoulders firmly on the bottom. Shoulders at a 45 degree angle with body rather than flared out to the side.

If presses still feel a bit sore, remember that you can still get a ton of chest activation from bottom-up cable flies like the first form shown here: youtube.com/watch?v=dseNQb_XlEk

How long do you think I would have to run hgh to even get healing benefits from it and at what dosages?

Depends on the injury but for minor injuries like this, I've heard people post back good results after as little as a week or two. 3-4iu/day.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Interesting thank you every one for the information. If taking it easy and adjusting my form and repetitions doesn't work I will possibly get some tb500 than if that doesn't help try some hgh. Or I might just have to take some time off of lifting when im done with my cycle. Than my best bet might be to use hgh when im off cycle to help preserve gains while I do not work out to let healing take place.

 

[JaniceCarson]

One of my friend was severely suffering from joint pains regularly. So Could you please help me how DECA helps in relieving pain? How effective in consuming?