Hey guys just finished my first cycle testosterone enanthate 500 mg/wk and I started liquid clomi today I took 300mg and I play on doing another 100mg for 10 days, then 50 mg for 10 days, total of 21 days = 3 weeks. That's what was suggested on some forums/sites so thats what I am doing. I gained about 25lbs in 3 months, my max on bench is now 365 for 1 rep, my chest is 46-47 in, arms are a little bigger than 16", I squat 225 i'd say 15-20 times.. deadlift is very hard for me for some reason, 225 only maybe 12-15 reps (I had back surgery a couple years ago, ruptured disc, also I have trouble with grip). ANYWAYS - bottom line is i've had some major improvements and i'm a good size. NOW - post cycle therapy (pct) will be over in 3 weeks and I am already wanting to do more of this.. it's amazing. SO - what would one suggest I take for my 2nd cycle? Also, can I start as soon as post cycle therapy (pct) is up, or do I have to wait a certain amount of time? Oh I am 6'2, 220 right now (cleaned up my diet a lot though and I am going to try and cut some fat off.).. just trying to give you guys as many stats as possible. OKAY.. Looking forward to your replies thanks everyone.
Just finished 1st steroid cycle. 2nd steroid cycle??
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frazier512
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time on usualy equals time on plus post cycle therapy (pct) bro. and test and deca is good for second cycle IMO
alexus hensicus
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Your next cycle should start after the same amount of time as when you were on gear.
alexus hensicus
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What goals do you want for your next cycle?
Zeek
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Hi tarma
Your best bet is to follow this formula
The amount of time spent on cycle+ post cycle therapy (pct) = the amount of time you should take and be completely clean of any AAS. This allows your body to return to normal function and then be at normal function for a while to reverse any of the damage that occurs during the cycle. Examples of this are low HDL, elevated liver enzymes, high hemocrit and things along those lines.
I do not believe you need 300mg of clomid followed by 10 days at 100mg. I have used that protocol in years past and found it no more effective than the 50 mgs of clomid per day X 4 weeks. I would also suggest you toss in some nolvadex for good measure at 40 mgs per day for 2 weeks followed by nolva at 20mg per day for the remaining 2 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct).
Congrats on your gains! Now eat and train like you want to keep it!
Your best bet is to follow this formula
The amount of time spent on cycle+ post cycle therapy (pct) = the amount of time you should take and be completely clean of any AAS. This allows your body to return to normal function and then be at normal function for a while to reverse any of the damage that occurs during the cycle. Examples of this are low HDL, elevated liver enzymes, high hemocrit and things along those lines.
I do not believe you need 300mg of clomid followed by 10 days at 100mg. I have used that protocol in years past and found it no more effective than the 50 mgs of clomid per day X 4 weeks. I would also suggest you toss in some nolvadex for good measure at 40 mgs per day for 2 weeks followed by nolva at 20mg per day for the remaining 2 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct).
Congrats on your gains! Now eat and train like you want to keep it!
alexus hensicus
New member
I kinda want to know where guys are coming up with overdoses of clomid.
frazier512
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and u should also get blood work done before next cycle
Zeek
Community Veteran
5-6 years ago everyone was running that and more. Actually the entire first week was sometimes at 300mg then 100mg
alexus hensicus
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Not trying to steal the thread but any benefits too 300?
Wow!
Wow look at all those fast replies thanks a lot guys your really helping me out.. all most depressing that I have to stay off so long.. thats like.. 4 months lol gosh damn it haha.. and well I pretty much want to look like Zyzz - that dudes body is perfect in my eyes.. although it's not going to be easy because I am pretty much.. well not fat but.. not shredded by any means =/. I don't want to be like ronnie coleman or anything I just want to be like.. idk how to describe it =/ I guess I just want a big toned muscled body like zyzz lol.
Wow look at all those fast replies thanks a lot guys your really helping me out.. all most depressing that I have to stay off so long.. thats like.. 4 months lol gosh damn it haha.. and well I pretty much want to look like Zyzz - that dudes body is perfect in my eyes.. although it's not going to be easy because I am pretty much.. well not fat but.. not shredded by any means =/. I don't want to be like ronnie coleman or anything I just want to be like.. idk how to describe it =/ I guess I just want a big toned muscled body like zyzz lol.
Zeek
Community Veteran
Remember zyzz is dead now at a very young age and his abuse of AAS is seriously implicated in his death.
Just want to point that out.
DaHurt
Motivated
I'm not trying to stir any shit or anything guys, but regarding the time off = time on + post cycle therapy (pct) rule, this is just a 'rule of thumb' as a general idea correct?
If based on your bloods, the hpta seems to have recovered completely, along with lipids, liver enzymes, etc. would it be okay to go back on, even if it has been less time?
I'm sure there is some empirical evidence supporting the time off = time on + post cycle therapy (pct) rule, so I was just wondering if someone could enlighten me?
If based on your bloods, the hpta seems to have recovered completely, along with lipids, liver enzymes, etc. would it be okay to go back on, even if it has been less time?
I'm sure there is some empirical evidence supporting the time off = time on + post cycle therapy (pct) rule, so I was just wondering if someone could enlighten me?
swoleup
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I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I do not ever come "off". IMO if it were me and the bloods were fine, I would cycle... But that is just me... Any one else not on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) have a solid opinion?
photonchild
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I hate deca. It's real rough on the body.
In general u are right.. I'd jump into another cycle if my blood test showing normal levels
I ve done that all my life.
The rule time on+ pct = time off is a good indication though for the time needed to hit the normal levels.
I heard in many places that its also a good idea to give your receptors a break even if your blood panel is ok , and that's why I m applying the thumb of rule now, even if my blood work is ok..
I ll take some xtra weeks off.. Why not!!
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