just started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) , help out ya boi

[youngNDumb]

just started trt , help out ya boi

Started trt two days ago and and I'm basically going to start working out more often since trt has some pros when it comes to working out I have a question for those who are on trt.

I know that I have a still have to find a dosage that works for me and still have to find my so called sweet spot but over 9 months of doctor searching and my failed attempt to "restart" my hpta with hcg I have been prescribed 200mg of testosterone cypionate a week. I split it into 2 100mg injections a week every 3.5 days..

My question is how long does it take for test to actually start helping my gym efforts? I have been working out with low T for 4-5 days a week for a long time but now that I'm taking test will I be able to see progress from here on out? Or does testosterone take a couple weeks or so to actually do anything? Or is it a everybody is different type of situation?

 

[JonnyBravo22]

Everyone is different. Diet more than anything will help you see gym results more quickly. But yes...as your testosterone levels increase you will start to see better results than before AS LONG as your diet and sleep are on point. Testosterone is not magic and don't expect to see overnight results. Keep doing what you are doing and YES you will see results more quickly with the increase in testosterone depending on where your levels were before. Good luck.

 

[Mprtz]

You should notice in a few weeks for sure. I had been losing strength and muscle through my 40s... on 200mg I got it all back and then some.

 

[5555]

how long have you been off aas before starting trt

i read about your attempt at hpta restart and i noticed you didn't use two serms at once like is recommended but your hcg dosages seemed to be good

ive read on plenty of forums that if you've cycled on for a long long time you're going to need to take at least that much time to fully recover

so for 2 years on you're going to need 2 years off

i'm 26 and i think it's a total mistake for you to just give up and go on trt for life if you have low test right now

 

[5555]

like from what i understand of your posts you gave your restart attempt with the hcg and clomid protocol only two months to level you off before deciding to go on trt

ever think that because you made some bad decisions at 17 and 19 you might make more bad decisions at 20?

fuck it is a total shame for you to be giving up if your doctor said you had a high chance of recovery.

 

[jomamma007]

give it a month. Some feel an overnight difference, some like me, feel a gradual change weekly.

Better watch your estrogen at 200mgs pharma. Not many men can get away without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at that dose.
Test bloods at 6 weeks.

Plus if you're already working out 4-5 days a week just stick with that.
Enjoy

 

[youngNDumb]

how long have you been off aas before starting trt

i read about your attempt at hpta restart and i noticed you didn't use two serms at once like is recommended but your hcg dosages seemed to be good

ive read on plenty of forums that if you've cycled on for a long long time you're going to need to take at least that much time to fully recover

so for 2 years on you're going to need 2 years off

i'm 26 and i think it's a total mistake for you to just give up and go on trt for life if you have low test right now

I was on 25 mg of clomophine 25 mg EOD while on hcg ..I had another thread about a month and a half ago about my protocol.

 

[youngNDumb]

like from what i understand of your posts you gave your restart attempt with the hcg and clomid protocol only two months to level you off before deciding to go on trt

ever think that because you made some bad decisions at 17 and 19 you might make more bad decisions at 20?

fuck it is a total shame for you to be giving up if your doctor said you had a high chance of recovery.

And to answer your second question..4 different Cleveland clinic doctors and endocrinologist told me that I had zero chance of recovery..my sperm count was at zero even after the clomid..
And dude u have no clue what mental stress I went through..literally was going suicidal.. so don't think I just gave into some dumbass docs bud

 

[jomamma007]

And to answer your second question..4 different Cleveland clinic doctors and endocrinologist told me that I had zero chance of recovery..my sperm count was at zero even after the clomid..
And dude u have no clue what mental stress I went through..literally was going suicidal.. so don't think I just gave into some dumbass docs bud

22 myself, I can definitely understand your pain brotha. I think the low T hits us harder then older men. Had those same sucidal thoughts and depression, anxiety, all kinds of emotions. Going from doc to doc all telling me I was okay with a total T in the 200's.

Still think you should start out with 100mgs per week though. Put me at a 1000 total T. 200mgs put me >1500, but also drove my estrogen sky high. Remember if your levels are too high your doc will lower your dose, I'd rather start with 100mgs and save some up for a blast , but more importantly in hopes to avoid an AI.

Did you ever find the cause of your low T. For me, I never found it, so although my T levels are great now and I feel tons better mentally, my physical state as far as energy and libido is still in the works. You should rule out pituitary tumors, thyroids issues, adrenal insufficiency, etc before hoping on. TRT will not fix these problems and if you have any of them you will still not feel the way you'd like just from supplementing with test.

 

[youngNDumb]

give it a month. Some feel an overnight difference, some like me, feel a gradual change weekly.

Better watch your estrogen at 200mgs pharma. Not many men can get away without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at that dose.
Test bloods at 6 weeks.

Plus if you're already working out 4-5 days a week just stick with that.
Enjoy

Without starting a new thread I have a question about the high estrogen..how can I tell that I might have estro? Is their any specific signs I'm looking for? I've been on for 1 week and just started second week today and I feel 100% better than before mentally but am I going to be expecting some mood changes with high estrogen? My estrogen was really low b4 trt but I'm not sure if that plays a roll in this..

like because I had extremely low estro levels b4 trt does that mean that my estro levels might creep up on me even slower and take more time than people with really high estro levels b4 trt??

 

[youngNDumb]

22 myself, I can definitely understand your pain brotha. I think the low T hits us harder then older men. Had those same sucidal thoughts and depression, anxiety, all kinds of emotions.
Still think you should start out with 100mgs per week though. Put me at a 1000 total T. 200mgs put me >1500, but also drove my estrogen sky high. Remember if your levels are too high your doc will lower your dose, I'd rather start with 100mgs and save some up for a blast , but more importantly in hopes to avoid an AI.

Did you ever find the cause of your low T. For me, I never found it, so although my T levels are great now and I feel tons better mentally, my physical state as far as energy and libido is still in the works. You should rule out pituitary tumors, thyroids issues, adrenal insufficiency, etc before hoping on. TRT will not fix these problems and if you have any of them you will still not feel the way you'd like just from supplementing with test.

Thanks for the reply man. And yea I really had no clue how to handle this at 20 I was literally going crazy and finding out that people can actually lose their fu***** minds..surprised I made it through that shit tbh but yea I'm just starting out man and if my levels are to damn high and I need to lower the dose in a few weeks then believe me I will

and yes the cause of my low T was Steroids bruh..the thousands MG's of Testosterone and DECA ever week for months plus I was taking vicodin and percs and smoking weed everyday for 4 good years..that's what made me even more stressed and shit , I did this to myself like a stupid junior in high school would

 

[Megatron28]

Best way to tell if you have low or high estradiol are by getting labs. Let us know if you don't know how to get labs without going through your doctor.

Signs of high estradiol are acne, fatigue and swelling. Low estradiol symptoms are fatigue and joint pain. Get labs though.

I hope you start feeling better in a few weeks.

 

[5555]

I was on 25 mg of clomophine 25 mg EOD while on hcg ..I had another thread about a month and a half ago about my protocol.

Right I saw your other thread you did some big doses of hcg for about 4 weeks right? Then you took clomid only eod @ 25mg for 7 weeks?

And if I'm reading the dates right that was all back in june?

How long did you wait after your attempt at the hpta restart before going back on TRT? June till now? So 3 or 4 months?

I'm not trying to be a dick I know a hormonal crash is terrible I've had one myself and probably could have killed someone. I'm just trying to understand things.

Few more questions.

Did you try the 2 serm approach at the typical higher doses like (clomid @ 100/100/100/50/50/25 and nolva @ 40/40/40/20/20/10)?

Your test came back around 350 after your hpta restart attempt right? Isn't that in the normal range? Did it keep dropping after? You're young so do you think it could have risen maybe even after another HPTA restart? Or a couple years off?

You posted in your HPTA restart thread that a doctor had told you you had a high chance of recovery. From what I get a lot of endos have very little understanding of fixing aas abused HPTA's and it's better to follow something like Dr.Scally's approach or even that affiliate marketing company that DET-OAK runs (they put u on igf-1 to help with the dual SERM treatment among other things).

I get all this shit costs money and being on trt that young is ruff I'm not trying to piss you off.

I see joemomma also tried an hpta restart and also ended up in the 350 range. How long did you wait before getting back on TRT?

Isn't the general rule of time on = time off. So if you used for years + were on trt you might have to be off for years to get your test levels way back up. Right?



Just for refrence. This guy steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/636316-got-my-blood-test-results-back.html#post3175313

Did this PCT protocol steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/618782-more-more-failed-pcts.html

And his shit got fixed. Jomoma I think you tried that same one but I'm interested in the timings.

Timing is everything.

 

[5555]

Anyways boys I don't want to be a cocksucker in 10 years they're gonna have that stem cell shit figured out anyway and this shit won't even be an issue.

 

[Alpin]

Signs of high estradiol are acne, fatigue and swelling. .

How bout High Blood pressure ?

 

[Megatron28]

How bout High Blood pressure ?

Yes, estradiol can increase your blood pressure.

 

[Alpin]

Isn't the general rule of time on = time off. So if you used for years + were on trt you might have to be off for years to get your test levels way back up. Right?

The answer is not that simple. Someone could of been on for 5 years and they might "recover".
It's very likely the majority out there can't recover from prolonged suppression.
All depends on the individual. Some guys that stayed on for a year or so have to take TRT for life.
I know a guy who's been on and off for a few years with PCT's and he recovered within range...
Now he can't though. His LH and FSH are very high and T is just above normal(265 ng/dl)

 

[5555]

Right I fully understand that all PCT's, cycles, individuals are different. I'm more interested in DET-Oaks' IMT HPTA restart and cashout's exit strategy etc.

We can both agree that for someone on TRT for a year a couple months is probably not enough time to see results.

Fuck even me cycling of my 10 weeker I'm not expecting my shit to totally recover for 3 or 4 months and I'm doing a 10 week PCT

 

[5555]

Like the guys at IMT, DET-OAK, cashout probably and Scally etc all recommend extend HUGE doses of hcg (up to 6 months) for guys coming off years of TRT.

These guys charge big money for consultations and go over your blood work to get the correct timing for every phase of the restart/pct whatever you want to call it.

Until they detect that your nuts are working you aren't going to go off HCG for example.

It's really a shame to be 20s and looking at 60 years of TRT unless theres some cure down the line.

And for the most part from what I've read normal endos, even sports endos aren't up to scratch on the knowledge of restarts, and there's no money in it for them to be because not many people are surring from aas related issues compared to the other demographics an endo can market to.

DET-OAK would probably be the go to guy for both of these young doods on TRT looking for a restart.

Fuck now I feel like I'm marketing for them.

Anyway I hope my test isn't permanently lowered after this cycle.

 

[5555]

Hey I also wanted to say that a lot of people in their 20s get addicted to test and actually try to cheat and get their levels so low so that they can qualify for TRT. So if in the end you guys really are on TRT you can always look at the bright side that you'll always probably be more cut than any dood not on it and there are a lot of guys probably walking around depressed as fuck with with no idea why even when they're on an anti depressant because they have low test.

Anyway gl doods with whatever you do.