Ketosis question

I need some help..

Starting a keto diet tomorrow and I have failed in my attempts to find if whey protein will kick one out of ketosis. So, anyone?

Thanks!
 
Just get a whey with low carbs. Watch it though!! I've sen some MR Bars that say "low-carb", but had like 20 grams in them. You have to read the labels to make sure that the terms "low-carb" fit your definition.
 
wannabmassive said:
well the carbs in whey protein are much higher than the intended 20mg of carbs per day so...

Hmm..
So you are basically saying that depending on how _much_ whey I use I might fall out of ketosis, correct? They Whey in itself will not kick me out of ketosis?
Well I quess, since I won´t be eating any carbs at all only fish and chicken and drinking Olive oil that I might get away with maybe 1-2 shakes per day?
 
well the thing is ur current carb level is way heigher then the level u want to be on so id say its possiable to be in ketosis
 
GeneticalChallenge said:
Hmm..
So you are basically saying that depending on how _much_ whey I use I might fall out of ketosis, correct? They Whey in itself will not kick me out of ketosis?
Well I quess, since I won´t be eating any carbs at all only fish and chicken and drinking Olive oil that I might get away with maybe 1-2 shakes per day?

GeneticalChallenge, when on a no carb diet I take Isopure. If I'm not mistaken its like 50g protein and no carbs, the strawberry is pretty good. Be careful with your carb intake as anything above 30g of carbs will knock me out of ketosis.

Are you using Keto Stix to check if your are in ketosis?

You should look into R-ALA!
 
2nd the recommendation for R-ALA. It will help with the occasional lapse in carb consumption.

Many whey proteins have little to no carbs.

One of the most common problems that people who undertake a ketogenic diet for the first time is that they do not consume enough fat. If the protein intake is high, and fat is low, the protein will be coverted to glycogen, which will interfere with your ability to attain or maintain a ketogenic state.
 
SkedMedz said:
Just get a whey with low carbs. Watch it though!! I've sen some MR Bars that say "low-carb", but had like 20 grams in them. You have to read the labels to make sure that the terms "low-carb" fit your definition.

Yes, I will do that.
I got a couple of lbs cheapo whey in my kitchen that I´m planing on using. Each serving (28g) contains -

21g Protein
<1,5g carbs
<2g fat

Although I will no be taking any chances, I´ll only have me a couple of shakes /day. I figured one first thing in the morning with a couple of tablespoons olive oil. Just to get my stomach up and going, and another one after my workouts without any fat.
So there really shouldn´t be a problem.
I will also be using 20mg dbol/day, in an attempt to avoid any muscleloss. By the second week I might be adding some clen in my cycle together with the dbol. Clen usually does a pretty good job with causing insomnia, and that is one thing I don´t need on a lowcarb diet. Lowcarb diets makes my brain slow and usually distrupts my sleep pattern as it is.

I´ll post my diet plan in a while.
 
WannaImpress & Catalyst

First thing in the morning I´ll head to the pharmacy to get me some sticks. The whole R-ALA issue, well the truth to be told, I never really looked into that. I understand that R-ALA increases insulin sensitivity in some way. That is, if I´m not mistaken. What is the recommended dosage for R-ALA?

120caps a 100mg for about $20 here in Sweden.
 
First day..

189g fat and 75g protein. Had some bacon, tuna and olive oil today.
I found it a little hard to get a good diet based on those figures though.
Anyway, the CKD worksheet by Mr.X suggested the following:

Calories.. Fat.. Protein.. Carbs
2006........189......75.......Less than 20g
1901........158.....119...... ------//------
1795........130.....157......
2112........164.....158......
1901........148.....143......
1795........130.....157......
Carb-up
2746.........31......137......480 :)

Got my "ACCU" fat caliper today also. After I measured my fat stomach the last thing I saw was the floor hitting me in the face. I really NEED to loose the doughboy outfit. I will stick to this shit for 4 weeks and see where it takes me.

What do you all think about this? And no, I will not post my bf % :D
 
It depends on how much you can tolerate, really.

Some people get good results with about 500mgs/day.

When low-carbing, you should carefully increase the dosage to avoid crashing due to low blood sugar.
 
SkedMedz said:
Just get a whey with low carbs. Watch it though!! I've sen some MR Bars that say "low-carb", but had like 20 grams in them. You have to read the labels to make sure that the terms "low-carb" fit your definition.
if im not mistaken the govt made all the companies change the labels the companies didnt list sugar alcohols , glycerin , and fibre as carbs because they say they dont effect blood sugar but the govt says technically they are a carb and made them list them as such on the label
 
What's up Genetic CHallenge,;)
Not trying to give you hell, but....

1: You need more than 20g of carbs for lifting , no ifs ands or buts about it!

2: You need a lot more protein!, at least as many grams in protein as you have in pounds of bodyweight (you weigh 100lbs, you take in 100g of protein)

3: KEtosis is inevitable when loosing fat; its not such a terrible thing

4. You need more protein!

#1 explained: 20grams of carbs as the keto diet lays out would be okay for fat loss if you weren't sedentary and sat at a desk all day, but when one lifts with so few carbs, glycogen(name for glucose stored in the muscle) will be used up(marked by the inability to get that pumped feeling in the weight room). When glycogen levels get to low your intensity will drop next to nothing dramatically decreasing the fat burning that occurs when muscle repairs itself, an inevitable catobolic condition will occur resulting in muscle atrophy.

#'s 2,and 4 explained:
Unfortunately when fat is broken down to be sent to the liver, to be be converted into glucose for use, so is protein. Protein's most important purpose is to repair and maintian every cell in our body, which includes muscle. As your diet goes right now you might have enough protein to sustain this vital bodily maintenance if you were not burning fat. However consider that when fat is broken down, as already mentioned, so is protein. When blood sugar gets low protein is broken up into into amino acids, which are then sent to the liver via blood stream to be converted into glucose(process called gluconeogenisis). With your current diet, when your body breaks down protein when blood sugar is low its going to tap into the protein that makes up your most powerful fat-burning tool, MUSCLE.
In lamen's terms here's a better illustration of what should be happening. By consuming an excess amount of protein, at least 1gram of protein for every pound of body weight, your body has at its disposal a pool of excess amino acids to use when blood sugar is low. Your body will tap into this extra pool of amino acids to be converted to glucose not having to resort to tearing down your hard earned, fat-burning muscle.

#3Explained: REally quick, Ideally what happens: fat is sent to the liver to be changed into glucose for enegry during times of low blood sugar. However, sometimes this conversion is not always complete, and instead of glucose being released, the incompleted product of this fat transformation, ketone bodies, are released into the blood stream. This will invetibaly happen when the body burns large amounts of fat. Ketones in excess might only be a problem if your liver is already under a lot of stress from other things like drinking or drugs (try milk thistle if this is the case), and if a person is type 1 diabetic in which the body, despite already having enough blood sugar to be used for energy, chooses to still tap into fat stores for energy. In these cases with Type 1 diabetics a very extreme ketosis can occur, from the extreme breakdown of fats, called ketoacidosis which can be toxic to the liver.

I Hope I could Help,
BEBOTZ
 
Use a Whey Isolate protein or just limit your intake of the Whey Concentrate you have. The ideal is a mixture of Whey Isolate and Caseinate protein powder. Casein protein has been shown in a number of studies to have stronger anti-catabolic properties than Whey and it extends the absorption of the Whey protein when taken in conjunction with it. I prefer the taste of the Isolated Milk protein powder from the Protein Factory which is a good mix of both types of protein containing absolutely miniscule amounts of lactose (or any other carbs).

For the carbs, I prefer TWO daily servings of the generic lower carb Metamucil (green bottle) along with small amounts of green vegetables throughout the day.
 
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