Leangains/IF protocol on cycle

text issue is because whenever i try to use . . . . . . without spaces it enters some random text. Agreed on the spiking issue, Nortons research on the leucine threshold had i think 3 - 4 feedings as optimal ?

Gotcha. Not sure of Layne's exact recommendation but the nutritionist on SS forums, an advanced power lifter and MD, generally recommends between 3-5 meals but allows deviation based on personal preference. I just eat when I have the time and when I'm hungry. No magic to it lol
 
There is a lot of research backing small fasting windows though, releasing growth hormones etc etc. I also find it to help people stick to a certain window so they dont go over their calorie goals by eating them all early in the day and being hungry later and stuffing more food. Lyle Mcdonald talked about a lot of research backing small fasting windows due to the fact the body doesnt get in a major catabolic state till I believe 72 hrs, Id have to look at the article. But he backed a lot of stuff the guy mentioned, w.e his name is, on the leangains.com site.

the only point i can agree with is IF is very efficient at meeting caloric goals because of less feedings. Easier to not a)cheat and b)count . . . . . but may i remind you that you could have say 2 feedings or 3 feedings daily without ever actually fasting. If your only feedings where say PRE and POST workout . . . . this would cover your bases.

Growth Hormone's effects are overstated. . . . you need to be fasting for a significant period like mentioned above before you reap their benefits. DR.JB's research on IF stated GH was elevated after the 22-24 hr mark. Secondly, the amount of increased GH is within your physiological limits, sort of like using peptides but likely much weaker. This would have a limited to ZERO effect on anabolism, but you might see increased efficency fat burning. Synthetic GH is dosed above 4-7iu's daily minimum to see size gains, and i wouldn't even imagine IF could compare to even 1-4iu of GH. . . & at 22 + hours of fasting.

Finally it's important that i stress that IF has NOT seen significant research and only now are studies slowly creeping out. Your best bet is to follow "bro science" or field tested information on it. . . . that is until the scientific community gains better insight into it's effectiveness.

Now i've used IF on and off for the period of 2 + years. I've experimented with 16/8 , 20/4 , 22/2 , and full day fasting protocols.

Benefits (from my experience)
Easier dietary compliance
Easier and more accurate macro counting
Hard to overeat and reach a surplus (when cutting)
works with those who tend to binge, playing into their tendecy to overeat instead of fight it
great way to loose "scale weight"
Calorie cycling
Carb Cycling

Negatives
EXTREMELY muscle wasting . . . . i lost insane amounts of muscle when comparing to 3 meals and 6-8 meal a day dieting protocols.
Working out in a Glycogen Depleted state is not beneficial to hypertrophy.
GI upset from 1300 kcal meals
Hard to even cram defecit calories in 4-6 hour feeding windows.
massive crash post meal #1
very hard eating style to explain to loved ones and friends


For further credit, check out precisionnutrition.com ebook on IF . . . published by JB one of the biggest names in nutrition. Probably the best and most scientific evidence on various IF methods.

Cheers
 
seriously threads like this get on my nerves.. glad you guys are pushing around so much knowledge though.. that's refreshing to see..
 
i believe some of my issues with it have already been covered in the thread..

its a cult following.. and just plain optimal..

iv dealt with 20 threads on this in the last month and have explained myself enough..

fasting is not for bodybuilders.. simple as that..
 
i believe some of my issues with it have already been covered in the thread..

its a cult following.. and just plain optimal..

iv dealt with 20 threads on this in the last month and have explained myself enough..

fasting is not for bodybuilders.. simple as that..

I dont see the evidence of it hurting bodybuilders, it may not provide as many results as some things, but not that many negatives either
 
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