LGD 4033 SARM (closer to steroid than prohormone

[scientific nick]

My apologies, if you disagree that this is more of a prohormone than a steroid, but there is no specific board for this type of chemical. I believe it is more of a steroidalmimetic, so I chose this for my destination.


After an internet traffic black friday style hastle, I finally got my payment to go through for this stuff.

Can't wait now.
My cycle will look like

(**cycle began 2/16/13**)

Pre-heat
IGF-LR3 (50-100mcg week 1-8/12?)
CJC w/ DAC (then switching to without and just doing more pins)( 1mg/Week 2-8/12?)
GHRP-6 (3x100mcg/day weeks 2-8/12?)

(unfinished business with a light oral I did a month ago.)
Tamox (40/20/10/10 weeks 2-5)

Main cycle
LGD 4033 (*edit dosage* dosage will be experimental starting at 1mg and going up, but also trying to extend this substance in my cycle for as long as possible)
(probably like this: 1mg week 1, 3mg week 2, 5mg week 3, 7mg week 4, 8mg week 5, 10mg week 6, 5mg week 7, 4mg week 8) ***changes to be made as symptoms or lack thereof are discovered.

MK 2866 (50mg week 7/8-10/11 ---25mg weeks 10/11-12/13)
S-4 (50mg week 13-17)
H-stane (wish i had some test E to do this with...) (2x25mg/day week 3-7)

PCT
Clomid (50mg week 18-22)
Tamox(20/20/10/10 week 18-22)
IGF-LR3 and other peptide combo during PCT? (weeks 18-26)

As far as I can tell this should all be relatively safe. Not a lot of information with the SARMs is available as far as supplementing goes

Also, I do not condone prohomones, I have this one left and it will be the last one I take.

Just sharing my plans and future experiences with you all. I'm sure guinea pigs are appreciated.

 

[Hrad]

You're going to run 10mg LGD-4033 right off the bat?
That's hardcore bro. Uniquemicals itself says to run 1mg for first week then up it as you go

 

[scientific nick]

I did not see that little exerpt they added, as i was in a sale rush! haha. but thank you for the heads up. I will start at 1mg and possibly bump up to 5mg after a week and run this thing as long as possible.
If the price goes down anytime soon, maybe I'll buy another to tak on at the end of my cycle (maybe not, just an idea. dont want to play around too much when its still lightly tested.)

 

[Ex-Ligand]

OK guys. I'm not a muscle head. I'm an ex-employee of Ligand.

And I only write to stop this madness. Yes, LGD4033 has expecptional preclin and clin data. Better in the same studies in primates than Ostarine (or whatever GTX is calling there lead now).

But here is the rub. Ligand has yet to publish the chemical structure of LGD-4033. So good luck with whatever you are taking, but until the structure has been released to the world, how do you know what it is that Uniquemicals is selling you?

Of course, if that are truely selling LGD-4033, Uniquemicals is breaking a long list of US laws, including infringing on US patent and violating US export laws. But I suspect anyone buyers steriods ar SARMs don't care about that.

Good luck with the tail, dude.

 

[AndreiD]

Nice bro!

Keep us posted with the results from the LGD.

That thing kinda scares me off. Knowing they would release it in a matter of days, i decided instead to order Ostarine. I have 0 experience with SARMs.

I'll be watching this topic especialy for a real back to back Ostarine vs LGD comparison.

 

[scientific nick]

OK guys. I'm not a muscle head. I'm an ex-employee of Ligand.

And I only write to stop this madness. Yes, LGD4033 has expecptional preclin and clin data. Better in the same studies in primates than Ostarine (or whatever GTX is calling there lead now).

But here is the rub. Ligand has yet to publish the chemical structure of LGD-4033. So good luck with whatever you are taking, but until the structure has been released to the world, how do you know what it is that Uniquemicals is selling you?

Of course, if that are truely selling LGD-4033, Uniquemicals is breaking a long list of US laws, including infringing on US patent and violating US export laws. But I suspect anyone buyers steriods ar SARMs don't care about that.

Good luck with the tail, dude.

All of their products are reputable. From my understanding, they wouldn't be bannered on this site if they weren't a great source. As for LGD not being released, it was manufactured around 2009 and has been undergoing testing. Unique is not the only to sell LGD-4033, I've seen other suppliers advertising for its soon release.

You must be out of the loop or something, bro.

 

[Hrad]

Be sure to update when you start taking that LGD!

 

[scientific nick]

I'm thinking about waiting another 2 weeks to continue some clomid use. Then natty for a bit and then starting. It's going to be a pretty hard cycle. I'm definitely not going over 2 months until the next cycle where I can judge, and I'm also stacking 3 ph's with it. H-stane, stanozabol, and epibolan. The latter will be during the S-4 portion to increase cutting.

*Found a bottle of each of the additions in my old bag. Might as well knock em all out at once.

 

[flash89912]

The patent is out there...

google.com/patents/EP2222636A2?cl=en

However they state 3 different formulas...how do they know they got the right one??

 

[bigpapabuff]

It doesn't look very selective to me. I think the OP is right - calling this a sarm is pretty damn inaccurate based on the suppression.

 

[liberate]

Pre-heat
IGF-LR3 (50-100mcg week 1-8/12?)
CJC w/ DAC (then switching to without and just doing more pins)( 1mg/Week 2-8/12?)
GHRP-6 (3x100mcg/day weeks 2-8/12?)

Why the CJC w/ DAC? Last I studied this heavily that Gh spike best suits females and could cause acromegaly in men. No concerns there?

 

[wiggywild]

A steroid is any compound with four cycloalkane rings joined together, with many important biological steroids having 3 cyclohexane and one cyclopentane ring. An anabolic androgenic steroid is a compound which is both a steroid and has similar effects with testosterone in the body, usually by binding to the testosterone receptor. A prohormone is a compound which has little biological activity on its own, but undergoes transformation in the body to an active metabolite which actually binds to the androgen receptor and thus produces the effects of anabolism. Usually prohormones have steroid chemical structures before transformation, and thus could be classified as a steroid, but since they have little activity on their own they are not considered AAS. Some compounds marketed as prohormones actually possess significant androgenic activity and often times knowledgeable members of this board will point out that they are in fact AAS.

SARMS do not have a steroid chemical structure but they share enough shape similarity with testosterone to activate the testosterone receptor. Medicinal chemists typically find new drugs by making slight changes to known structures ie test and seeing how they perform. SARMS were created to fit into the androgen binding pocket without sharing structural similarity to test.

LGD is not a steroid but this says nothing about its strength. In fact, from a bb perspective, the ultimate goal of sarms research would be to find a molecule which is much stronger than test, does not convert to estrogen, and does not bind to the receptors which provide negative feedback on the test HPTA.

 

[johngalt]

My apologies, if you disagree that this is more of a prohormone than a steroid, but there is no specific board for this type of chemical. I believe it is more of a steroidalmimetic, so I chose this for my destination.


After an internet traffic black friday style hastle, I finally got my payment to go through for this stuff.

Can't wait now.
My cycle will look like

(**cycle began 2/16/13**)

Pre-heat
IGF-LR3 (50-100mcg week 1-8/12?)
CJC w/ DAC (then switching to without and just doing more pins)( 1mg/Week 2-8/12?)
GHRP-6 (3x100mcg/day weeks 2-8/12?)

(unfinished business with a light oral I did a month ago.)
Tamox (40/20/10/10 weeks 2-5)

Main cycle
LGD 4033 (*edit dosage* dosage will be experimental starting at 1mg and going up, but also trying to extend this substance in my cycle for as long as possible)
(probably like this: 1mg week 1, 3mg week 2, 5mg week 3, 7mg week 4, 8mg week 5, 10mg week 6, 5mg week 7, 4mg week 8) ***changes to be made as symptoms or lack thereof are discovered.

MK 2866 (50mg week 7/8-10/11 ---25mg weeks 10/11-12/13)
S-4 (50mg week 13-17)
H-stane (wish i had some test E to do this with...) (2x25mg/day week 3-7)

PCT
Clomid (50mg week 18-22)
Tamox(20/20/10/10 week 18-22)
IGF-LR3 and other peptide combo during post cycle therapy (pct)? (weeks 18-26)

As far as I can tell this should all be relatively safe. Not a lot of information with the SARMs is available as far as supplementing goes

Also, I do not condone prohomones, I have this one left and it will be the last one I take.

Just sharing my plans and future experiences with you all. I'm sure guinea pigs are appreciated.

I'm still learning and don't know WTF half that shit is, but damn dude you're like a freakin pharmacist with the detail you have in there lol.

What do you mean by "pre-heat"? From what I can tell it seems that much, if not all, of your cycle involves PHs (H-stane from what I understand is one) with the addition of the SARM and the IGF. Do you typically stick with PHs and, if so, do you see good results?

I am very interested to see how your cycle works especially with the SARM and I hope you got actual legit stuff. Good luck man.

 

[Jelet]

what was ur results

 

[Devils Mentor]

what was ur results

 

[CanadianWolf]

Anyone else tried this stuff? I am very interested but the price for a bottle is insane!

 

[CageBreed]

the 4033 is pretty strong stuff.

 

[angrycaveman]

I thought it sucked I tried a cycle of s4 ostarine, and lgd and my muscles shrunk and got slightly harder. Maybe I will try a different source next time.

I also feel more forgetful and get slight migraines like the one I am having now.

 

[Bootstomper]

I thought it sucked I tried a cycle of s4 ostarine, and lgd and my muscles shrunk and got slightly harder. Maybe I will try a different source next time.

I also feel more forgetful and get slight migraines like the one I am having now.

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