Looking for a protocol suggestion

axl617

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I've decided to turn my back on the medical industry and take matters in to my own hands after getting duped by yet another overpriced endocrinologist and at the advice of my general practicioner (who have no power to prescribe testosterone or SERM as of this year). Tomorrow I'll be ordering 10ml of 200mg/ml testosterone ethantate or propionate. I will be skipping the hcg/SERM monotherapy approach because I want results fast. I'm 25 and intend to have children someday, but after feeling like crap for so long I'm taking the 'yolo' approach. I might attempt PCT and SERM monotherapy much later on, once I change my life around. So, can someone suggest a protocol for me based on my figures? I was considering 50mg E3D, should I consider HcG, arimidex, aromasin? Should I be worried about my low SHBG?

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207ng/dL total testosterone with an LH of 5iu/L... Why are you being refused treatment again? You're primary hypogonadal in my non-md opinion, but a script IS the way to go.

Self prescribing is going to make things quite difficult for you potentially, as you'll inevitably have to start over with a new doctor - and coming to them shut down with AAS isn't going to help your case whatsoever.

This is even worse if I'm right in that you are primary, as that means a restart will NOT do anything for you at all. If you see a doc that's willing to treat you in the future contingent on blood work, but sees a nil LH signal, you may be faced with completely unnecessary and unneeded tests/treatments.

My .02c :)
 
207ng/dL total testosterone with an LH of 5iu/L... Why are you being refused treatment again? You're primary hypogonadal in my non-md opinion, but a script IS the way to go.

Self prescribing is going to make things quite difficult for you potentially, as you'll inevitably have to start over with a new doctor - and coming to them shut down with AAS isn't going to help your case whatsoever.

This is even worse if I'm right in that you are primary, as that means a restart will NOT do anything for you at all. If you see a doc that's willing to treat you in the future contingent on blood work, but sees a nil LH signal, you may be faced with completely unnecessary and unneeded tests/treatments.

My .02c :)

Where do you see those numbers? Are they in the link that I can open?
 
What country do you live in, and why does your GP no longer have the power to prescribe testosterone as of this year?

Australia, they changed it that the doctor has to send you to a specialist to get it prescribed. My endo considers 7.2nmol/L normal, as the law is 6nmol/L and below only. It's an absolute travesty. 3 doctors told me I have hypogonadism.


207ng/dL total testosterone with an LH of 5iu/L... Why are you being refused treatment again? You're primary hypogonadal in my non-md opinion, but a script IS the way to go.

Self prescribing is going to make things quite difficult for you potentially, as you'll inevitably have to start over with a new doctor - and coming to them shut down with AAS isn't going to help your case whatsoever.

This is even worse if I'm right in that you are primary, as that means a restart will NOT do anything for you at all. If you see a doc that's willing to treat you in the future contingent on blood work, but sees a nil LH signal, you may be faced with completely unnecessary and unneeded tests/treatments.

My .02c :)

I'm very lucky to have an understanding doctor. He basically hinted that he wants me to get my test levels up, and suggested I look in to alternative methods of acquiring what I need. He doesn't want to waste my time and send me to another endocrinologist who will leave me $300 poorer and without any choice for treatment. I have already been to 4, and the usual reasoning is I have low SHBG, I'm young, I'm within range (bottom range is good enough) and anyone who says otherwise is a 'testosterone junkie'. One agreed to work with me, but required I get a pituitary MRI and testicle ultrasound first, once both came back clean he flipped around and said "actually your levels are perfectly within range". So I've had enough, at least a dozen people told me just take matters in to my own hands. My QOL has declined dramatically and I'm only 25, I can't afford to waste more years.

I'm considering 40mg test E to start with, on the fence about hCG and want to avoid Adex altogether. Doc will be happy to work with me in getting my blood labs.
 
Australia, they changed it that the doctor has to send you to a specialist to get it prescribed. My endo considers 7.2nmol/L normal, as the law is 6nmol/L and below only. It's an absolute travesty. 3 doctors told me I have hypogonadism.




I'm very lucky to have an understanding doctor. He basically hinted that he wants me to get my test levels up, and suggested I look in to alternative methods of acquiring what I need. He doesn't want to waste my time and send me to another endocrinologist who will leave me $300 poorer and without any choice for treatment. I have already been to 4, and the usual reasoning is I have low SHBG, I'm young, I'm within range (bottom range is good enough) and anyone who says otherwise is a 'testosterone junkie'. One agreed to work with me, but required I get a pituitary MRI and testicle ultrasound first, once both came back clean he flipped around and said "actually your levels are perfectly within range". So I've had enough, at least a dozen people told me just take matters in to my own hands. My QOL has declined dramatically and I'm only 25, I can't afford to waste more years.

I'm considering 40mg test E to start with, on the fence about hCG and want to avoid Adex altogether. Doc will be happy to work with me in getting my blood labs.

Bleh, Australia. I absolutely love your country, but you guys do have some of the most ridiculous laws and rules. :(

I remember something about vitality clinics still being legal there, no? If so, the upfront cost sucks - but it would set a medical precedence for often lazy physicians to follow.

As someone that became primary hypogonadal at the age of 24, and spent a very long time trying to figure out what was wrong (the Internet was still a baby back then), I TOTALLY get wanting to fix things NOW.

I absolutely wish I had known, and if in your situation - probably would have self treated to be honest.

HOWEVER, as I am on legit TRT now, I can't stress just how freeing it is knowing that I can LEGALLY be candid about testosterone being something I take. If I get sick or injured, or need to travel - I have LEGAL proof that I am allowed to possess and consume the hormone as a medically necessary treatment. It's just invaluable to have that freedom in my opinion.

If you absolutely do not have any options, I understand, but I would make damn sure that you truly don't. Once you inject, you are making a commitment that is not easily broken. Just keep that in mind, as it's much easier to seek treatment NOW, before you alter your blood work.

As far as your proposed dose goes, that's not going to do much for you. I'd aim for 100mg split into two shots E3.5D, and if fertility is a concern (at 25 I can imagine it would be), I would start the HCG a month or so in - so you have time to adjust to just the testosterone. Adex is on a case by case basis, and may not be needed, of course bloods will tell you if they are.

I certainly do wish you the best of luck, and please keep us posted on how things develop for you. :)
 
My understanding of the Australian guidelines is that the 6 nmol/L (170 ng/dL) cutoff only applies to men seeking subsidised TRT.

For someone whose testosterone is in the low range, it should be possible to get a private prescription. At least, that seems to be what I understand from this page:

https://www.specialistgp.com.au/mens-health/testosterone-replacement-therapy/

My suggestion would be to see if you could get a private prescription off your doctor. The cost of injectable testosterone works out at around $35 / month (according to the above link), and the PBS benefit caps the cost of a drug to $38, so there's no difference in the cost. If you wanted to run gels, then that would be a different matter.

Incidentally, Dr Robin Willcourt offered TRT to the presenter of the Head First programme on bodybuilding and steroids, and his TT was 14.6 nmol/L (420 ng/dL). As I said, I don't think it's illegal, just not subsidised.
 
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