M-Sten first ever cycle-advice needed please.

[AK49]

Some advice please
This will be my first ph cycle.

Am I missing anything? or is there something I dont need?

Preload 2 weeks N2Guard w/extra thistle & hawthorne (45%) Already started the milk/berries 3g of each & 150mg celery seed extract

1-4 M-sten RX (20/20/20/20) or 10/20/20/20 since this is my first ph cycle?
1-4 Forma Stanzol
1-4 Dermacrine
1-4 n2guard
1-4 HcGenerate

Read that forma and derma stack well together
I have 2 questions 1.) How much of each? 6/6 forma and 3 derma? 2.) Dosing times -Forma upon waking 6am/Derma 11am-Noon/Forma between 8-9pm after shower?

Or Derma upon waking @ 6am/ Forma-noon/ Forma 8-9pm?

PCT
5-8 Liquid Clomid (25/25/25/25)
5-8 N2Guard
5-8 HcGenerate
5-10 Forma Stanzol 3-5 pumps? am and pm. Also should I taper 8-10?

Should I throw in DAA (pills) through the whole cycle just for good measure?

supps
creatine ethyl ester pills
beta alanine
fish oil (currently about 18g a day)
supper cissus
taurine 3-4g a day
bcaa (20-40g a day)
scivations lean mass gainer (twice a day pwo)


Diet Real food Meat/Veggies/Lots of Fats and quinoa pasta (gluten free stuff)lots of grass fed meatloaf

42/5'8"/162#/10% or less
Olympic Weightlifter 5yrs+ S&C for alot longer then that
I train twice a day 5 to 6 days a week depending how beat up I am.

I was on daa & erase for 30days and I stopped this past sunday May 12th
Is 2 weeks a long enough wait before I can start the msten?

Thanks in adavance
AK

 

[AK49]

Bump
Anyone? It would be appreciated
All products are ordered and in route

 

[bonexyster]

personally id run clomid 100 for the first few days or week. id prob go 100/50/50/50 and tmox at 20/20/10/5 and i most deff would do daa but i wouldnt start till about a week from the end of the cycle and i would run a double dose the first 14 days to load up on it. daa reaches its full strength at around day 12 so starting to soon in the cycle is a waste cause your still not going to be producing. start a week from the end just to get a good load on it then run it for about 4 weeks.

 

[bonexyster]

also if you can get ahold of some test and start it 2 weeks before you run the msten would be great. if not, get a good dhea sup. i have a scipt to test so thats never a prob 4 me.

 

[craigs449]

I would steer clear of stacking multiple compunds for your 1st run.....And i wouldnt suggest Msten as a 1st cycle either! I would run Halo, P-Mag, or Mechabol standalone as a first cycle to see how your body reacts to it and save the Msten for the next go round. And as stated above, you are gona want to run the Clomid at a higher dose like 100/75/50/25, or 50/50/50/50

 

[bonexyster]

Running test shouldnt be considered stacking it keeps u normalized. I would never recommend running anything without test. First cycle or 20th cycle. The only thing I agree with is if u want size run pmag the first time and save the sten after youve figured out how to properly eat on gear. Then u can fully utilize the stronger compound. But again im not advising you to run 500mg of test im advising to have some kind of test in your body and I still recommend u get some if u can, your body doesn't function every day on pmag it does on test.

 

[craigs449]

Running test shouldnt be considered stacking it keeps u normalized. I would never recommend running anything without test. First cycle or 20th cycle. The only thing I agree with is if u want size run pmag the first time and save the sten after youve figured out how to properly eat on gear. Then u can fully utilize the stronger compound. But again im not advising you to run 500mg of test im advising to have some kind of test in your body and I still recommend u get some if u can, your body doesn't function every day on pmag it does on test.

Fair enough. I see where you are coming from, but not everyone can/should run test (unless prescribed) due to work/employment related issues. Wit that being said, PH's are the "legal" way around this dilemma and can be run with great success with proper planning and post cycle therapy (pct). I only suggest running a single "mild" compound for the 1st run to see how your body reacts to individual chemicals. The 1st time I ran Halo, I broke out in a bad rash that took over a week to go away. Still not sure if it was the compound itself, or a filler that was used in the caps but I havent run any type of halo since.

 

[bonexyster]

My above statement may have come off prickish sounding, if it did didnt mean it that way bro. From a legal stand point if you want to stay away from hot gear I totally hear that. But that leaves the option of 50-150mg of dhea with a estrogen blocker or Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I personally feel very flushed going over 100 so I never went any higher then that. But never running any type of gear I think 100mg of dhea with pmag and triazole and he would have a hell of of first cycle He would be more then happy with. Im sure he could get 12lbs from it. O and you will need 2 bottles of pmag to dose well for 6 weeks.

 

[AK49]

Thanks for the replies

16th day

Also dded TUDCA and extra berries and celery seeed at the start of the cycle
Things are great no sides I feel normal numbers are up on the LSUS template (am session & 10's suck) and still seem to have plenty of energy for my pm sessions, so no complaints.
Weight is up 5lbs first thing in the morn and up 4 more pounds in the afternoon and still cut up so Im digging this.
Usually when I have gotten this heavy I just looked doughy, not anymore....

Though I did have a problem trying to run the other day. My legs were so pumped up from warming up on the Airdyne for 3mins it felt like I was running with a suit of armor on. Legs so stiff I thought I was going to fall over.