Made a mistake now in a bind.

[riverking47]

So pinning in the basement second vial test e 250. Dropped it and it broke. Would have to order more test e from a ug. First cycle. On hcg 500/week and test e 500/week. Called a buddy he's has sustanon 250. I don't know much about it. Pinning protocol? Pct differences? Most importantly can I transition to this mid cycle?

 

[3J]

pin the same way.. youll be fine..

pct you should wait 18 days minimum

 

[Southernfish]

I wouldnt pin the Sust as you would pin the Enanthate. Thats a waste of Propionate, as minimal as it is. Pin it every other day. Adjust eod doses so at the end of the week you = 500mg.

If you have a mixed estered product such as Sustanon you want to base your injection protocol on the shortest ester in the mix. In Sustanons case the shortest ester is the Propionate. Propionate should be pinned every other day or AT LEAST mon, wed, fri.

150mg eod=525mg per week.

For PCT I would wait 30 days. Sustanon, if its not BS Sustanon, has the Decanoate ester in it, and that ester has a half life of 15 days. If you start PCT too soon you will most likely have a failed PCT as you have drugs still in your system that are telling your body to shut down as well as drugs telling your body to turn on. Starting PCT too soon is not what you want to do.

Switching over will be fine.

 

[halfwit]

I hate to disagree with you Schredder, but it is all relative to the amount of prop in the blend. I've seen some blends where it's just a paltry 30mg of prop with the bigger esters making the majority of the compounds concentration. In that case, I would agree with 3J as 220mg vs 250mg likely going to be noticed much. There might be a slight risk of increased aromatization, but it shouldn't be enough to cause issue.

I do totally agree with the PCT though. Unfortunately, a lot of labs slap enanthate and cypionate in a vial with propionate and call it sustanon. Which of course isn't the real deal.

My .02c

 

[Southernfish]

Half, so If we have Sustanon with 30mg of prop in it, which is what real Sustanon should have how would a guy maintain steady levels of what hes actually injecting (mg wise) without having the pulses from the Prop? Or is 30mg of Prop even doing anything at all?

What I layed out is just what Ive always done and stood by as far as blends go.

And ya for sure on the Cyp. Ive seen Sust with Enan in it and Cyp in it which is not Sust. Lol. Thats something else.

 

[halfwit]

It's going to translate to a small spike of like 150ng/dL that falls off after 2 days, spiking again after it's around 35ng/dL remaining. It'll still give a small addition to blood serum levels, but you are right in that it won't be as significant.

I guess it's more of a convenience vs "wasting" AAS scenario. You probably lose a grand total of 30mg/wk in order to prevent having to pin an extra 1.5 times. I'm a cheap bastard, so I'd probably pin the extra couple times, but I wouldn't fault someone for sticking to an E3.5D routine either.

 

[Ziegler]

So pinning in the basement second vial test e 250. Dropped it and it broke. Would have to order more test e from a ug. First cycle. On hcg 500/week and test e 500/week. Called a buddy he's has sustanon 250. I don't know much about it. Pinning protocol? Pct differences? Most importantly can I transition to this mid cycle?

That sucks man but don't trip halfwit knows his shit. I thought about telling something like that to my trt doctor but figured it would sound too far fetched lol.

 

[3J]

sust is such a wasted idea.. i remember my first cycle being sust and i thought it was amazing lol


yes, 21 days is fine too.. i said 18 to play it safe since i myself dont know what exactly the longest ester was

 

[bigben66]

I agree, and that is why Sustanon is an awful choice for cycling...
It was originally developed as a TRT drug of choice for GP's, but even for that I can't fathom out why anyone would choose that over the other forms of single-estered Test if they had a choice.