Marijuana lowers testosterone

[Mr P]

After reading this article, I thought of throwing it out

Marijuana and low testosterone: the two go hand in hand. Yes, marijuana is a "herb". Yes, marijuana is a "natural plant". However, none of that is going to change the fact that marijuana is a one way ticket to low testosterone, erectile dysfunction and fertility problems. The political debate regarding marijuana may be interesting, but the research shows it to be debilitating and potentially deadly long term.

Marijuana assaults your precious hormones in almost every negative way possible, especially testosterone. One study after another has shown that cannabis lowers testosterone. For example one research team found that "a reanalysis of existing data established that testosterone levels are depressed both after smoking one marijuana cigarette and after intravenous infusion of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, a pharmacologically active component of marijuana". [1] The same study concluded that it would take at least 24 hours for testosterone levels to normalize after marijuana use. (NOTE: It's not just the smoke - an IV will do it.)

Another study found that not only was testosterone decreased after short term marijuana use, but leutenizing and follicle stimulating hormone were lowered as well. [2] And just to add to the endocrinological misery, the arch-villain and stress hormone cortisol was raised as well in this same study. There are also studies in animals and humans that strongly indicate that marijuana blunts growth hormone

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

This article is blowing this out of proportion since most studies looking at marijuana's impact on androgens are mixed to say the least.

The first study the article mentions is a poor one since they didn't control marijuana use prior to testing. Unlike this study that was controlled and only shows an 8% drop in test:
Acute effects of smoking marijuana o... [Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1986] - PubMed - NCBI

Here are another pair of studids showing chronic marijuana smokers (daily) NOT having different test levels at baseline:
Plasma testosterone levels in health... [Am J Drug Alcohol Abuse. 1975] - PubMed - NCBI
Effects of chronic marijuana use on test... [Drug Alcohol Depend. 1991] - PubMed - NCBI

I should also add that ALL the studies showing drops in test also showed that it was still within the normal biological range:
Male-female differences in the effects of cannabi... [Horm Behav. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Studies on growth hormone, cortisol, etc all show similar results - small insignificant decreases.
So IMO, although marijuana does cause an acute decrease on test, it still stays within normal ranges - making the impact of marijuana nothing to really worry about

 

[3J]

if im not mistaken marijuana in the system is very similar to estrogen.. as in it mimics estrogen.. which is why it reduces testosterone..

i cant remember where i read that

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

if im not mistaken marijuana in the system is very similar to estrogen.. as in it mimics estrogen.. which is why it reduces testosterone..

i cant remember where i read that

The main way it reduces test is by directly decreasing the synthesis from the testes - but your right that it has estrogenic properties.

I seem to recall a study showing administration of HCG completely reversed any impact marijuana had on the gonadotropin hormones but its no longer accessible to the public.

 

[3J]

that would have been a great read

The main way it reduces test is by directly decreasing the synthesis from the testes - but your right that it has estrogenic properties.

I seem to recall a study showing administration of HCG completely reversed any impact marijuana had on the gonadotropin hormones but its no longer accessible to the public.

 

[Therealkozmo]

I don't beleive these studies because the FDA is a crock of shit. This we know. FDA has to give approval to use marijuana on people. They don't give that to just anyone. I am not saying that you can't harm yourself what I am saying is this is just modern day reefer madness until we have a trustworthy source.

 

[Southernfish]

It also, according to a article I recently read stunts endocrine system development in those whos isn't fully developed yet.

 

[bonexyster]

marijuana is very prone to making men grow gyno. It naturally increases estrogen. A quick Google search can show the astronomical number of male users with gyno.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

It also, according to a article I recently read stunts endocrine system development in those whos isn't fully developed yet.

I'm not buying this - almost all the negative stuff is based on marijuana being associated with certain problems later in life.
Association isn't causation

I'm not sayin we should all start smoking the stuff (I've never tried it personally), I will even say that guys interested in fat loss/muscle gains should keep the weed to a minimum BUT people need to be aware that most of the articles in the media misinterpret the data in order to raise sales.

In other words, articles are full of shit & should never be relied upon. Find the studies yourself before drawing conclusions.

 

[ImAuNatural]

My buddy smokes all the time and is a bodybuilder. He is huge and his nips have no gyno they look solid to me,no homo lol. I don't know if I believe all of these studies. Working out is supposed to reduce testosterone as well im pretty sure...

 

[Therealkozmo]

I think it's studies on overtraining as far as possibly lowering testosterone. Yeah I know someone wink wink that knows first hand marijuana does not cause gyno.

And yeah let's just declare google infallible. Put them in god status that they work so hard for. While we are at it let's take what the hodge twins say as gospel. I mean they seem to know a lot about mushroom tips
That's why my diet consists of 15 quest bars a day. All kinds of gaiiinz

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I think it's studies on overtraining as far as possibly lowering testosterone. Yeah I know someone wink wink that knows first hand marijuana does not cause gyno.

And yeah let's just declare google infallible. Put them in god status that they work so hard for. While we are at it let's take what the hodge twins say as gospel. I mean they seem to know a lot about mushroom tips
That's why my diet consists of 15 quest bars a day. All kinds of gaiiinz

Gyno is a difficult issue to dispute because of evidence from the 70's strongly suggesting that marijuana does play a part.
Marijuana's estrogenic properties are not due to the cannabinoids but the polyphenols that come from the smoke, as proven here:
Estrogenic effects of marijuana smoke... [Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

So the act of smoking it does seem to have an estrogenic impact so, theoretically, it could contribute to gyno at high doses.

Also - hodgetwins are awesome, only fitness channel I watch religiously

 

[3J]

So if it's the act of smoking then ingesting would avoid that problem?

Or vaping .. Or waxing..

Interesting..

 

[Therealkozmo]

Gyno is a difficult issue to dispute because of evidence from the 70's strongly suggesting that marijuana does play a part.
Marijuana's estrogenic properties are not due to the cannabinoids but the polyphenols that come from the smoke, as proven here:
Estrogenic effects of marijuana smoke... [Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

So the act of smoking it does seem to have an estrogenic impact so, theoretically, it could contribute to gyno at high doses.

Also - hodgetwins are awesome, only fitness channel I watch religiously

It is easy to dispute. First, that is a study on rats. Second here is a study that will again clarify raising estrogen from marijuana is wrong. Or gyno. You might allow yourself to eat to much and get all kind of adipose gains then you will have puffy nipples and think it is gyno

Alcohol does raise estrogen. Marijuana is a miracle "toxin" big pharma is the devil.

 

[bonexyster]

It is easy to dispute. First, that is a study on rats. Second here is a study that will again clarify raising estrogen from marijuana is wrong. Or gyno. You might allow yourself to eat to much and get all kind of adipose gains then you will have puffy nipples and think it is gyno

Alcohol does raise estrogen. Marijuana is a miracle "toxin" big pharma is the devil.

How about this, anytime someone feels like throwing back a couple doobs the take .25 of Adex lol problem solved

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

It is easy to dispute. First, that is a study on rats. Second here is a study that will again clarify raising estrogen from marijuana is wrong. Or gyno. You might allow yourself to eat to much and get all kind of adipose gains then you will have puffy nipples and think it is gyno

Alcohol does raise estrogen. Marijuana is a miracle "toxin" big pharma is the devil.

The study highlights what part of marijuana actually raises estrogen if any, although it was in rats if you have access to the full study you'll find its likely to be applicable to humans.

When I said its difficult to dispute, I meant its difficult to categorically deny that it may occur.
Their are good studies on both sides of the fence and an honest answer to whether it causes higher estrogen is "maybe".

IMO, their is more than sufficient data to suggest its probable.

 

[crios660]

I love medical grade weed, esp while im on a tren cycle. Helps me relax and fall asleep. I like to get high but it aint a bad habit. I just love the "chill" effects.

 

[Therealkozmo]

The study highlights what part of marijuana actually raises estrogen if any, although it was in rats if you have access to the full study you'll find its likely to be applicable to humans.

When I said its difficult to dispute, I meant its difficult to categorically deny that it may occur.
Their are good studies on both sides of the fence and an honest answer to whether it causes higher estrogen is "maybe".

IMO, their is more than sufficient data to suggest its probable.

I do understand what you are saying. I will say I have taken blood tests from a chronic smoker and there was no raise in estrogen. Also, the study I posted goes over the antiestrogenic properties. We wouldn't do human studies if rats were exactly the same in results department.

So buy the data we see it has estrogenic and antiestrogenic properties. Marijuana is a miracle drug that can't be patented. Big pharmas worst enemy

 

[Want2lift]

Also a fairly useless study for those on TRT or blast and cruise or on cycle. As long as your putting synthetic test into your system what does it matter if smoking weed reduces natural test levels.