Message to all of the Deca haters out there...

[Megatron28]

First of all, welcome back Staunched! For those of you that don't know him, don't let his age deceive you. He knows his shit and is the real deal.

I have never personally run Nandrolone alone, but there are medical studies where they have had men run low doses of it for a fair amount of time. They didn't die or anything and seemed to have positive benefits. Nandrolone aromatizes (at a lower rate than testosterone though) so you will get the estrogen that your body needs. That is one of the huge fatal flaws when guys run just anavar or Tren -- no aromatization.

I personally would rather do something like 200mg of Test and 200mg of Deca per week for cruising (along with hCG) if I was going to incorporate Nandrolone. But I appreciate that Staunch is sharing his experience with us and taking one for the team in running his "experiment". I know I will have an open mind and listen to what he can share with us on this in his drunken ramblings.

 

[BigSwolenPussy]

First of all, welcome back Staunched! For those of you that don't know him, don't let his age deceive you. He knows his shit and is the real deal.

I have never personally run Nandrolone alone, but there are medical studies where they have had men run low doses of it for a fair amount of time. They didn't die or anything and seemed to have positive benefits. Nandrolone aromatizes (at a lower rate than testosterone though) so you will get the estrogen that your body needs. That is one of the huge fatal flaws when guys run just anavar or Tren -- no aromatization.

I personally would rather do something like 200mg of Test and 200mg of Deca per week for cruising (along with hCG) if I was going to incorporate Nandrolone. But I appreciate that Staunch is sharing his experience with us and taking one for the team in running his "experiment". I know I will have an open mind and listen to what he can share with us on this in his drunken ramblings.

The issue I see that bothers me the most is how hard deca can shut you down. Deca was one of my first cycles back in the day. I ran 250mg for 10 weeks(I had a single vial) and at the time didn't know any better by mid cycle(dont remember the exact days) my dick was limp at 20 years old. That shit doesn't happen normally at this age obviously. There was no viagra back then. PCT was nolva and some of the gym rats used it during cycle. Doctors were oblivious(even worse than now) as to what the fuck to do about it. Shit I know guys now that have ED with running it if they don't use the right amount of test.

Anyway, I think its silly and careless especially at a young age(myself included)but to each there own. Definitely not bashing just giving an opinion.

 

[49ER]

I could care less if people run test or not but 250mg of deca is supposed to be ground breaking because you dont use test? Some people dont even respond well to deca im not impressed with 750mg if it works for you great

 

[oldmusclemike]

Staunched , really you could of saved this whole thread of being bashed , if you will, by just waiting until you weren't under the influence. Remember driving / posting buzzed is drunk driving / posting.

Just saying for you and the others who might do this. We all know it is better when clean n sober at the time of posting ... lol I guess. Now al your maturity at a young age gets Questioned by more then not. I myself was reading and thinking hard when you mentioned the alcohol and BOOM I stopped. I did keep reading but I really had to take it all very lightly.

Now what do the newbies think about ALL of this. We try to help them along with many issues in their lives because we the more aged have gained much knowledge and experience which in time produces (in some) wisdom. The problem ( done deal now) with what you posted is going against some of the most important protocols we the majority of vets teach. One wait until you are 25 and use Test with all your cycles. I know there are the exceptions but to stand up and tell us how much you know and do the opposite and the say well I been around , then a vet saying hey he's been there. Sorry at age 22 you have not had the time to get this as good knowledge. Just posting with alcohol and admitting it, spoiling your credibility ( for this thread) make me wanna back up and take everything you say before this and post this with BIG Question.

It's done now so no sense in continuing but as a general, FVCK more then GENERAL rule this is bad info. Your future is still un-known and so until that comes we don't know what will come of what you are doing.

Last thing, This may all be good for you and I hope so and congrats if it is all good, BUT I wanna say to the young and restless this is Staunched experience and not to be considered just ok to disregard the more then majority advising from the experience vets. Always better to be safe then sorry and do not play Russian Roulette.

Just my 2 cents with just a few more years experience.

 

[Theworm]

I thought the same as the OP, but I ran it alone 3 years ago (400 mg x 12 weeks) and experienced the worst depression of my life,,, and I've never been depressed before.
I then ran high deca low test and it worked great but recovery (right now 5 weeks post that cycle), and depression arose slightly but extreme fatigue etc. I plan on never touching deca again unless I'm on HRT
For me oxandrolone (pharm grade) produced much better results

 

[STAUNCHED427]

The issue I see that bothers me the most is how hard deca can shut you down. Deca was one of my first cycles back in the day. I ran 250mg for 10 weeks(I had a single vial) and at the time didn't know any better by mid cycle(dont remember the exact days) my dick was limp at 20 years old. That shit doesn't happen normally at this age obviously. There was no viagra back then. PCT was nolva and some of the gym rats used it during cycle. Doctors were oblivious(even worse than now) as to what the fuck to do about it. Shit I know guys now that have ED with running it if they don't use the right amount of test.

Anyway, I think its silly and careless especially at a young age(myself included)but to each there own. Definitely not bashing just giving an opinion.

I agree Deca shuts the HPTA down longer and harder than anything, not an issue for me and if I take a few month break il run hCG while the Deca clears along with probably just eq... I don't believe in using Nolva and especially Clomid, hCG is king.

I didn't ask about how you think my age is wreckless buddy, don't be jealous by a 22 year old who is able to use Deca alone, at a low dose and still grow and fuck like I was on a jacked up dose of test. You can shoo now because you arent adding anything to this thread besides making yourself look stupid if you knew me a bit more and what knowledge I have but this isnt a dick sizing content and quite frankly bro, get fucked because your attitude is that of an asshole whos close minded and you are wrecking my thread with your shit. if this was face to face I could tell your the type of asshole that disagrees with others opinions because your a wankstain that needs to have it his way. the day you get my respect is the day you apologise for your commnets about how I am aparently dumb and young and unenducated, so fuck off out this thread your the type of bloke that reminds me of someone who used to troll on the board 2 years ago and was the laughing stock until he grew up (Matt where are you lol).

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I could care less if people run test or not but 250mg of deca is supposed to be ground breaking because you dont use test? Some people dont even respond well to deca im not impressed with 750mg if it works for you great

It isn't for everyone, but thanks for appreciating my personal response to Nandrolone, everyones different.

I can't believe that people are still being butt hurt over the fact that people do and prefer TRT dose test + anabolic or no test dose at all. I'm shocked it's 2017 but hey if you don't like my advise don't take it ? I'll keep jabbing my dick killer while getting results and feeling great, even if that's so hard for some to believe.

 

[alphabravo]

I agree Deca shuts the HPTA down longer and harder than anything, not an issue for me and if I take a few month break il run hCG while the Deca clears along with probably just eq... I don't believe in using Nolva and especially Clomid, hCG is king.

I didn't ask about how you think my age is wreckless buddy, don't be jealous by a 22 year old who is able to use Deca alone, at a low dose and still grow and fuck like I was on a jacked up dose of test. You can shoo now because you arent adding anything to this thread besides making yourself look stupid if you knew me a bit more and what knowledge I have but this isnt a dick sizing content and quite frankly bro, get fucked because your attitude is that of an asshole whos close minded and you are wrecking my thread with your shit. if this was face to face I could tell your the type of asshole that disagrees with others opinions because your a wankstain that needs to have it his way. the day you get my respect is the day you apologise for your commnets about how I am aparently dumb and young and unenducated, so fuck off out this thread your the type of bloke that reminds me of someone who used to troll on the board 2 years ago and was the laughing stock until he grew up (Matt where are you lol).

hCG shuts you down... so in what relation is hCG king compared to clomid? Are you speaking about well on cycle? Surely you're not speaking of terms for PCT right? They all have their place, whether your talking on cycle, for fertility or PCT so just trying to understand what you mean because it sure sounds like your talking about restarting the HPTA so you'd run the hCG prior to commencing PCT then discontinue for PCT and then starts the nolva/clomid. Also you mentioned TRT so why would clomid be an option?

 

[alphabravo]

It isn't for everyone, but thanks for appreciating my personal response to Nandrolone, everyones different.

I can't believe that people are still being butt hurt over the fact that people do and prefer TRT dose test + anabolic or no test dose at all. I'm shocked it's 2017 but hey if you don't like my advise don't take it ? I'll keep jabbing my dick killer while getting results and feeling great, even if that's so hard for some to believe.

Too each their own but it goes against the general consensus of what works, and I'm talking about sexual function. You may just be lucky or something... a lot of people would be struggling with limp dick issues, including myself. So I do not believe anyone is putting you down for what you like to do, I think they're just pointing out that it's not for everyone and a large percentage of guys would experience loss of sexual function doing this.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Staunched , really you could of saved this whole thread of being bashed , if you will, by just waiting until you weren't under the influence. Remember driving / posting buzzed is drunk driving / posting.

Just saying for you and the others who might do this. We all know it is better when clean n sober at the time of posting ... lol I guess. Now al your maturity at a young age gets Questioned by more then not. I myself was reading and thinking hard when you mentioned the alcohol and BOOM I stopped. I did keep reading but I really had to take it all very lightly.

Now what do the newbies think about ALL of this. We try to help them along with many issues in their lives because we the more aged have gained much knowledge and experience which in time produces (in some) wisdom. The problem ( done deal now) with what you posted is going against some of the most important protocols we the majority of vets teach. One wait until you are 25 and use Test with all your cycles. I know there are the exceptions but to stand up and tell us how much you know and do the opposite and the say well I been around , then a vet saying hey he's been there. Sorry at age 22 you have not had the time to get this as good knowledge. Just posting with alcohol and admitting it, spoiling your credibility ( for this thread) make me wanna back up and take everything you say before this and post this with BIG Question.

It's done now so no sense in continuing but as a general, FVCK more then GENERAL rule this is bad info. Your future is still un-known and so until that comes we don't know what will come of what you are doing.

Last thing, This may all be good for you and I hope so and congrats if it is all good, BUT I wanna say to the young and restless this is Staunched experience and not to be considered just ok to disregard the more then majority advising from the experience vets. Always better to be safe then sorry and do not play Russian Roulette.

Just my 2 cents with just a few more years experience.

Musclemike I have a lot of respect for you, but ewhat I posted sober or not my post is the same... It was not aimed or targetted. It is known that I'm a young fella but take it however you want. This is no dick sizing contest, it's too early to see if this board is gone downhill with what decorum and knowledge the members here are spitting out. And as far as spoiling my credibility, brother all I can say is my credibillity is no different than it was when I signed on here. My facts are from my experiences and my own research and others (who have years and years of experience, competed, etc etc the usual). Delete the thread for all I care, it turned out very dissapointing that I got no questions towards me or any positive feedback... There was no mature, thoughtful and most importantly educational information shared by others here apart from me and Mega and Roush. The worms response was what I had expected, he gave his experience, it wasn't the best for him, he needs a little test like many would, I am not that many group and can do it.

If this thread turns from the shit it's gone to and progresses to diarrhoea then good riddens to it I won't be replying to arrogant and non informative, aggressive, downright useless responses.

Cheers fellas

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Too each their own but it goes against the general consensus of what works, and I'm talking about sexual function. You may just be lucky or something... a lot of people would be struggling with limp dick issues, including myself. So I do not believe anyone is putting you down for what you like to do, I think they're just pointing out that it's not for everyone and a large percentage of guys would experience loss of sexual function doing this.

Exactly, each to their own, and no not all guys can run Deca lone, my mate if running 250mg Test/500mg Deca for the first time and says he feels ten times better with lowered test and deca, hes going to see what things are like with just Deca only and no test. He will either like it or not, simple.

hCG shuts you down... so in what relation is hCG king compared to clomid? Are you speaking about well on cycle? Surely you're not speaking of terms for PCT right? They all have their place, whether your talking on cycle, for fertility or PCT so just trying to understand what you mean because it sure sounds like your talking about restarting the HPTA so you'd run the hCG prior to commencing PCT then discontinue for PCT and then starts the nolva/clomid. Also you mentioned TRT so why would clomid be an option?

I hate Clomid sides. I recover just fine with hCG and an AI to get my nuts rolling solidly again if comming off, then when I come off hCG I'm good and all is well. I'll be comming off for a bit maybe before winter, not sure yet, will post bloods of it but ill be finishing up my PCT a good 8-12 weeks post Deca shot to avoid HPTA supression.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

And one more thing before I log off, to whoever went out of their way to neg rep me with

Too hostile. Don't care if you're jacked, you're 22 and need to respect others opinions

Take your own medicine. This thread is letting people know I love deca only and respond to it will. That was my opinion, which was not respected.

In all honesty I would rather see this thread deleted as it was wrecked by a know it all with no respect for my opinion by the time I get back on, this thread is turning into a joke just like the lack of respect going on here.

 

[BigSwolenPussy]

I agree Deca shuts the HPTA down longer and harder than anything, not an issue for me and if I take a few month break il run hCG while the Deca clears along with probably just eq... I don't believe in using Nolva and especially Clomid, hCG is king.

I didn't ask about how you think my age is wreckless buddy, don't be jealous by a 22 year old who is able to use Deca alone, at a low dose and still grow and fuck like I was on a jacked up dose of test. You can shoo now because you arent adding anything to this thread besides making yourself look stupid if you knew me a bit more and what knowledge I have but this isnt a dick sizing content and quite frankly bro, get fucked because your attitude is that of an asshole whos close minded and you are wrecking my thread with your shit. if this was face to face I could tell your the type of asshole that disagrees with others opinions because your a wankstain that needs to have it his way. the day you get my respect is the day you apologise for your commnets about how I am aparently dumb and young and unenducated, so fuck off out this thread your the type of bloke that reminds me of someone who used to troll on the board 2 years ago and was the laughing stock until he grew up (Matt where are you lol).

Look, I have yet to bash you or call you a name. You mentioned a stupid idea and I called it that. I don't give a shit about your age. If you were 2 years older, I would still say that it is a stupid idea. I don't owe you an apology because I haven't said shit out of line. I am far from a troll. The only person that is looking ignorant is you. CALM THE FUCK DOWN and reread my post. If you are going to come "back" here, you need to learn some fucking manners. We are all here for the same purpose. Like it or not, my opinion is just as important as yours. What I'm not going to do is listen to a fucking keyboard warrior bashing me for my opinion.

 

[Roush]

Staunch, have you ran NPP with your Deca cycles to front load it and get the nanrdolone juices flowing way quicker?

the last few Deca cycles I ran I front loaded 150mg of NPP Eod with the 500mg of deca, and instead of waiting for the Nandro to kick in around week 8 like usual , it was about week 4 or 5. NPP is a great nandrolone imo

 

[BigSwolenPussy]

Staunch, have you ran NPP with your Deca cycles to front load it and get the nanrdolone juices flowing way quicker?

the last few Deca cycles I ran I front loaded 150mg of NPP Eod with the 500mg of deca, and instead of waiting for the Nandro to kick in around week 8 like usual , it was about week 4 or 5. NPP is a great nandrolone imo

Honestly, if running a deca only cycle this would be the best option for a short burst maybe 6 weeks. At least it would we in and out of your system faster that deconate(3 weeks). This would keep you suppressed a shorter period of time and give less chance of feeling like shit in the later weeks.

 

[Roush]

Honestly, if running a deca only cycle this would be the best option for a short burst maybe 6 weeks. At least it would we in and out of your system faster that deconate(3 weeks). This would keep you suppressed a shorter period of time and give less chance of feeling like shit in the later weeks.

yeah for a short run of 6 weeks I'd just blast NPP only at a high dose and not even mess around with the Deca. however if you front load your Deca cycle with NPP, then you can get by running the deca only about 10 weeks instead of the normal 14 or so weeks and get the same results

 

[oldmusclemike]

Musclemike I have a lot of respect for you, but ewhat I posted sober or not my post is the same... It was not aimed or targetted. It is known that I'm a young fella but take it however you want. This is no dick sizing contest, it's too early to see if this board is gone downhill with what decorum and knowledge the members here are spitting out. And as far as spoiling my credibility, brother all I can say is my credibillity is no different than it was when I signed on here. My facts are from my experiences and my own research and others (who have years and years of experience, competed, etc etc the usual). Delete the thread for all I care, it turned out very dissapointing that I got no questions towards me or any positive feedback... There was no mature, thoughtful and most importantly educational information shared by others here apart from me and Mega and Roush. The worms response was what I had expected, he gave his experience, it wasn't the best for him, he needs a little test like many would, I am not that many group and can do it.

If this thread turns from the shit it's gone to and progresses to diarrhoea then good riddens to it I won't be replying to arrogant and non informative, aggressive, downright useless responses.

Cheers fellas

Maybe it's your age or the beer or I don't know why you don't understand what I was getting at. It probably is just your ego.

In any arena if a 22 year guy stand jump and make claim that goes against the more then average protocol and then stated oh I've been drinking.... hello. Really you think that everyone is gonna take you seriously. Listen I have always respected your voice and sensible posts. You sound very educated with AAS and I have credited you for what you know and nothing abut age.

However now that you have gotten your panties in a wad in that what I posted is just some common sense attitude from me and another person, it tells me...IMOP only that you are not as close to mature as I thought. Hey maybe you will not respect this old guy now I don't know. But I tell you I do care. For me that respect tells others that need help and the newbies that I am for the most part spot on.

In life you will learn when and where to lay it all out and how. Why because it will effect others that aren't in the know. Like the newbies . We need to be delicate and use decrement t when we tell our unorthodox theories or protocols and remember how this might effect others.

I mean at some day and the right time and for the CORRECT purpose should we / I let something out of the bag. Ya know I don't follow much oof the protocol that I profess. But no one knows what it's like or how this or that effects a 65 year old man and Mike with all his physical problems. I don't think there is anyone on here that has tried to grow muscle at 65 with all the aliments I have and or a 65 yr old man has.

You on the other hand well anyone older the 23 has been there.. ya think. So lets get out there and just tell the newbies since we're all different and it works for me at 22 go for it. So I am rambling in bullshit yes !

But I tell you, you would have gotten the respect ( and maybe do) of your experience had you been straight enough and sensible enough to not mention the alcohol and age.... ON THIS THREAD.

Then instead of just politely backing out a little and or apologizing for posting under the influence you like an un- inhibit person under the influence you just got offended . That in it of itself was immature sorry.

SIMPLE SIMON says if you're gonna post some experience that defies normal common protocol that we try to help the new cyclers ( use test because ) then don't tell you are drinking and only been around 22 years. Point blank AND if you think my post here is just in-informative and not a good lesson to learn in life then.. well I'll leave it here and just say , Please try to learn something from my words of Wisdom here, that don't really have anything to do with Deca but much more important in the grand scheme of your life.
Thanks and Good luck with everything you do...

Now back to the real Q n A

 

[unkazra1]

My only advice to OP, because you're young (which most of us envy) and somewhat unorthodox with your "supplements", is try to think like a middle aged to older dude when you make your decisions.

Decisions you make now, will forever effect your physical appearance, and mental make-up, for the rest of your life. You have to account for your health when you're in your 30's and 40s, now.

Good luck with whatever you decide.. And shorten your posts bro!! lol.

 

[oldmusclemike]

OMG...lol and shorten your posts. Boy I'm in trouble

 

[STAUNCHED427]

You know what, I believe I owe an apology as I was a bit out of line there and have been in a way with everyone as of late. It was highly out of character and I'd like to point out this is why I never drink, I'm a little bit of a go hard or go home and that attitude results in silly scenarios, so again I apologise and would like to man up and call out my mistakes and make amends where I fuck up. It takes a real man, guts and says a lot when you can take responsibility for you wrong doings and make amends!

So if we can all get back to business fellas haha... I know it is unorthodox and not recommended, many guys won't respond all that well or just don't like it, I think Masteron is horrible mentally IMO, most say it gives a sense of well-being! My mate absolutely loves nothing but high test at 750-1250mg along with 50mg of anadrol if not dbol or a combo (yes crazy blood pressure goes through my head) or 40mg stana ED in winter and summer respectively, he uses 1mg Adex MWF, however he gets ABSOLUTELY ZERO GYNO even without the AI.... Me on the other hand if I go 300mg per week even with letro at 2.5mg ED it is the absolute most I can run it or my nips flare like fuck... I've tried thanks to the help of letro and exemestane (works great but too expensive compared to letro) test doses from 0-1000mg (with burst of 3 day 50mg anadrols for shits and gigs which got me looking extrmeely marhmellow like with the test) and my nips still flared as usual. I felt like shit, 500-750mg of Test alone or with equal amount of EQ is nice but jacks my BP and RBC real high and it was costly and long and not worth it and again I need a SERM (which in that case it's not so bad but essentially what I am boiling down to is I can run Nandrolone and always have been like this, as if it were test and the positive results you'd expect from the test and deca combined is literally how I feel physically and mentally on nothing but deca. This isn't new to me, it's something I noticed 3 years ago when I was experimenting and proving that high doses yield nothing but more sides and slow and steady is the way. I haven't run more than 2ml, sorry 500mg total in over a year and been off last year at one point but have been cruising on TRT doses of test+ TRT doses of either EQ, Mast or Tren for majority the last two years).

I'll never run more than 750mg of gear total again, that's my max, haven't been there since 2014! These days I just stay on a constant total dose of at most 350mg average cvloser to 200mg per week total. I've been having periods last year where I wouldn't do a shot for 2 sometimes 3 at most 4 weeks otherwise I just start a slow recovery, hCG skips that. But yeah, one thing I can tell to anyone is more isn't better. It's ridiculous the doses that people in their 20s are using, I try guide them to PCT and try eat naturally or atleast try halving the dose (i hate being told by someone how they are on test tren and dbol at ridiculous dosages and have nothing but sides to show for it and a body that looks like it has never lifted a weight).

I started young yes, I began training at 15 and by 17 i was 90kg lean and ripped deadlifting 180 for reps, benching 120kg for reps (front delt issues prevented me going heavier for reps as they take over which is why I now only DB press.) At 19 I had stopped training for 8 months and lived the usual teenage party days and walked back into the gym at 71kg for the first time in 8 months after doing my first test 250mg shot, within 8 weeks I was up 10kg running 250mg Pharma Primoteston E6D with Adex EOD and a diet I would have doubled.

I already learnt how to diet, train and had built a natual foundation and my genetics are on my side. I grow without AAS, but I grow even better on low dosages, and have been known to successfully enjoy keeping test at low doses or at 0 at times.

Not everybody can run test, and clearly most people can't run Deca like it were Test... The way I can. Cool by me! I'm just letting ya know what I'm on and that it's not my first time doing an unorthodox cycle.