Milk Is Not A Health Food

[Lindsay IMT Staff]

I know you don't want to hear this, but milk is not good for anyone over the age of 3. So if you are reading this and you are over the age of 3, you need to stop ignoring the facts and pay attention. After reading this article, we recommend you to do your own research online and find out the truth for yourself. You will have a longer happier life and leap ahead of all your gym buddies that are still sucking on cow titties. Milk and dairy products are the number one allergenic food in the world. All adults of all races are allergic to milk and dairy because of the Lactose and casein content. Children lose the ability to...

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[Sedg1]

Does that mean whey-based protein is equally unhealthful?

 

[Charles Bronson]

in oriental medicine , the word for "milk" also means Phlegm !

glorified pus, drink up..

 

[Lindsay IMT Staff]

Does that mean whey-based protein is equally unhealthful?

I use whey protein and I dont think its unhealthy my opinion

 

[totalburnout]

What an idiotic article. Milk CAN have its place in a proper diet. Massed produce milk is generally not the best thing in terms of inflammation/allergies. That's also a product of combining the milk from many different cows on a single farm into one homogenized gallon of milk. If you choose dairy, assuming you're not lactose intolerant, a non homogenized product from antibiotic free, healthy cows is your best option.

The same thing can be said about grains. Grains weren't intended to be digested. It's a plants purpose to regenerate, so they've evolved to have protecting coatings that don't allow them to be digested or easily digested by animals.

I don't hear everyone calling to cut out grains.

Personally I don't drink milk or eat grains because of inflammation reasons but that doesn't mean that these foods can't be part of a balanced or healthy diet.

I'd argue that the sugar content of milk shoots more people on the foot, because most people have carb heavy diets, than any other aspect of milk.

To answer someone else's question, whey protein is fine. It has one of the best amino profiles for any supplemental protein for muscle building purposes. It's why it's used so often.

 

[Sedg1]

I use whey protein and I dont think its unhealthy my opinion

Me too. Figured I'd whey in on that.
Sorry

 

[Charles Bronson]

If you choose dairy, assuming you're not lactose intolerant, a non homogenized product from antibiotic free, healthy cows is your best option.

Grains weren't intended to be digested. It's a plants purpose to regenerate, so they've evolved to have protecting coatings that don't allow them to be digested or easily digested by animals.

I don't hear everyone calling to cut out grains.

Personally I don't drink milk or eat grains because of inflammation reasons but that doesn't mean that these foods can't be part of a balanced or healthy diet.

unless you own a cow and can afford to free range it and feed it non gmo grain (good luck finding that anywhere)


here you go..


milk is garbage. cut out grains.

our bodies were engineered for the stone age, eat like it..

 

[IMT staff]

What an idiotic article. Milk CAN have its place in a proper diet. Massed produce milk is generally not the best thing in terms of inflammation/allergies. That's also a product of combining the milk from many different cows on a single farm into one homogenized gallon of milk. If you choose dairy, assuming you're not lactose intolerant, a non homogenized product from antibiotic free, healthy cows is your best option.

The same thing can be said about grains. Grains weren't intended to be digested. It's a plants purpose to regenerate, so they've evolved to have protecting coatings that don't allow them to be digested or easily digested by animals.

I don't hear everyone calling to cut out grains.

Personally I don't drink milk or eat grains because of inflammation reasons but that doesn't mean that these foods can't be part of a balanced or healthy diet.

I'd argue that the sugar content of milk shoots more people on the foot, because most people have carb heavy diets, than any other aspect of milk.

To answer someone else's question, whey protein is fine. It has one of the best amino profiles for any supplemental protein for muscle building purposes. It's why it's used so often.

Idiotic?

Do you even know why its bad to eat processed grains? When it is refined it strips away half of the B vitamins and almost all of the Vitamin E. Whats even worse is it totally strips away all tocotrienol's, the important 4 parts of vitamin E, which has a total of 8.

I believe this to be a major contributor to the increase in obesity and testosterone deficiency numbers over the last couple decades.

So yea you should cut refined grains, or at least limit your intake until times after vigorous exercise.

Do you know what Arnold said when someone ask him if he drank milk in Pumping Iron?

"Milk is for babies, when you get older you can drink beer"

PS he is the father of nutrition in regards to resistance training, and yes beer would be a better option in moderation.

 

[totalburnout]

That was the single dumbest reply you could have made. Arnold also smokes weed in Pumping Iron. Are we going to cite that as the picture of health.

And wrong again, I wasn't talking about a debate of simple vs complex carbs or refine vs unrefined. I was speaking strictly from the standpoint that until the agricultural revolution, grains werent eaten by humans. They were never intended to be ingested. A seeds 'goal in life' is to regenerate, so from an evolutionary stand point, grains/seeds aren't easily digested. If a bear or deer or human eats that grain, the intention is for the animal to excrete the seed

 

[halfwit]

As much as I really want to contribute to this great debate, I'm still stuck on Lindsay talking about:

sucking on cow titties

Does that include fat lactating women, or do we have to exclude all titties?



HAPPY MONDAY!

 

[IMT staff]

That was the single dumbest reply you could have made. Arnold also smokes weed in Pumping Iron. Are we going to cite that as the picture of health.

And wrong again, I wasn't talking about a debate of simple vs complex carbs or refine vs unrefined. I was speaking strictly from the standpoint that until the agricultural revolution, grains werent eaten by humans. They were never intended to be ingested. A seeds 'goal in life' is to regenerate, so from an evolutionary stand point, grains/seeds aren't easily digested. If a bear or deer or human eats that grain, the intention is for the animal to excrete the seed

I think your close to the dumbest person on this board if you don't think Arnold is clearly recognized as the father of nutrition in regards to resistant training, but this wouldn't be the first time I thought so from one of your post's

Exactly how was I wrong? And im not sure if its just me, but I don't think anyone in this thread actually gives a fuck what you were talking about......

 

[totalburnout]

Stick to hormone advice, not nutrition advice. You're in over your head.

I've spoken to IMT members on the phone, in regards to hormones, they were knowledgable and well educated. This nutrition post is out of Lindsay's realm I understanding. This is coming from someone who eats a paleo diet and does not consume milk as a part of his diet. The argument by Lindsay however didn't hit on any of the reasons other than allergies of why milk may not be be fools in diets. It also neglected that a perfectly healthy diet can include milk.

Your buddy Arnold did drink milk, FWIW. Yes, in pumping iron he had a funny quote about babies drink milk and he drinks beer, but its pretty common knowledge that he did drink milk. That shouldn't influence whether or not a sane individual drinks milk.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Stick to hormone advice, not nutrition advice. You're in over your head.

I've spoken to IMT members on the phone, in regards to hormones, they were knowledgable and well educated. This nutrition post is out of Lindsay's realm I understanding. This is coming from someone who eats a paleo diet and does not consume milk as a part of his diet. The argument by Lindsay however didn't hit on any of the reasons other than allergies of why milk may not be be fools in diets. It also neglected that a perfectly healthy diet can include milk.

Your buddy Arnold did drink milk, FWIW. Yes, in pumping iron he had a funny quote about babies drink milk and he drinks beer, but its pretty common knowledge that he did drink milk. That shouldn't influence whether or not a sane individual drinks milk.

Oh really? You think nutritional advice is out of Todd's realm? I know him very well, and I don't think I have to say where my money is at.

If you think the only reason Todd doesn't think you should drink milk is because of Arnold you have misjudged his experience.

There are far better reasons to avoid milk then because of its poor nutritional value, like the fact that it has more xenoestrogens than most food products, which trumps your "a perfectly healthy diet can have milk". That is about as vague as it comes buddy, you can pretty much do anything in moderation and it can have positives, I mean anything.

Milk is garbage, most will tell you to stay far away from the sugar and fat, unless you want to be bloated like the michelin man.

I can add a twinkie to my diet everyday and it still be perfectly healthy, that does not take away from the fact that it's macronutrient ratio is sub par to say the least.

Almond Milk is better.

 

[totalburnout]

Oh really? You think nutritional advice is out of Todd's realm? I know him very well, and I don't think I have to say where my money is at.

If you think the only reason Todd doesn't think you should drink milk is because of Arnold you have misjudged his experience.

There are far better reasons to avoid milk then because of its poor nutritional value, like the fact that it has more xenoestrogens than most food products, which trumps your "a perfectly healthy diet can have milk". That is about as vague as it comes buddy, you can pretty much do anything in moderation and it can have positives, I mean anything.

Milk is garbage, most will tell you to stay far away from the sugar and fat, unless you want to be bloated like the michelin man.

I can add a twinkie to my diet everyday and it still be perfectly healthy, that does not take away from the fact that it's macronutrient ratio is sub par to say the least.

Almond Milk is better.

Todd may very well have written the article and may very well have had underlying reasons that were more scientiffic than what was presented. Lindsay's post defending the article didn't provide anything more than essentially, "Arnold said..."

I have enjoyed the conversations I had with Todd and he was well educated.

As you said, pretty much anything can be done in moderation - which was my point. I never made the argument that milk is the single best source of nutrition out there. I made the argument that if it's non pasturized, non homogenized, from healthy cows, than there isn't a problem with milk unless you're lactose intolerant/allergic.

Again, much of the same can be said about grains.

I choose not to drink milk or eat grains for reasons like these - but I understand that they can both be a part of a healthy diet. If you make the macros work, virtually any diet will net you results and can be 'healthy'.

Again, I don't disagree that I wouldn't personally use milk as a building block of my personal diet but it can be successfully done and to paint it with such a broad brush with only citing the allergen issues is short sighted. Many of those issues can be overcome by selecting the correct milk.

Nut allergies are also very prevalent - so for the same reason, you can slam almond milk as well. I'd argue that you're better drinking non homogenized, non pasturized, whole milk based on nutritional value alone than most almond milk (even the non flavored almond milks generally have sugar additives and the amino profile of almond milk is far worse if you're looking at it from a muscle building prospective).

 

[kaupe]

I stumbled across this site looking for information on whether I should restrict milk intake from my diet in order to cut some weight as I drink it daily.

One of the studies published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition seems to indicate that milk actually facilitates weight loss. I am open to additional or more recent studies.

aabgu.org/media-center/news-releases/drink-milk-lose-weight.html

Longer lifespan for milk drinkers -

sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090722083720.htm

And we have the lactase persistence argument showing the further evolution of mankind due to milk consumption.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I don't find much value in the first study, it was over 2 years and a difference of 7 lbs, it was not because of milk either, it was because their vitamin D went up. There are many ways to do that. Milk has a poor nutrient Value. I bet if you added another group with Almond Milk they would have lost 7lbs every 3 months. After all they are shut down from the hormones they are consuming, thats why they are overweight or obese to begin with.

Also replacing milk with fish rich in vitamin D would have far superior nutritional value, i could go on and on, most do not consider it a health food anymore.

Which brings me to the excess toxins an xenoestrogens that get passed through to the drinker. Did you know homogenization allows milk to digest easier but also allows proteins to pass through easier as well? and into the blood stream? Whats your stance on milk drinkers getting cancer?

 

[kaupe]

Milk has a poor nutrient Value. I bet if you added another group with Almond Milk they would have lost 7lbs every 3 months.

I was under the impression milk had great nutritional value among other benefits. Here is an interesting article on milks additional benefits.

scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=4902

Almond milk looks like an interesting substitute but I do have some issues with it after a bit of research. Fodder for another topic.

Which brings me to the excess toxins an xenoestrogens that get passed through to the drinker. Did you know homogenization allows milk to digest easier but also allows proteins to pass through easier as well? and into the blood stream? Whats your stance on milk drinkers getting cancer?

I agree with you we could do without the homogenization process. In many countries this is not standard and may be a piece of the of the problem you mention. The xenoestrogens I will look into further, thank you for the information.

If you are referring to Dr Davaasambuu's study on the correlation between milk and cancer I did just read it briefly. There does appear to be enough evidence to warrant further research but there was not a definitive link. If there are other studies (besides the Nurses Health study from which her data is taken) I am open to them. Below is a link to one of her peers at Harvard and his stance on the subject.

intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/35320/35323/1402786.html?d=dmtHMSContent#what

There is a more comprehensive study on cancer and milk being conducted in Europe (which has different dairy standards than in the US). Completion is about 10 years out but there is data being produced now.

epic.iarc.fr/index.php