Muscle Wasting Illness

[Nicky T]

Hi, I am currently under a doc's care and he's considering starting on low dose deca 100mg wkly for 8, 10, or 12 weeks. I have limited knowledge but I'm also not sure my doc is very experienced in this therapy either. He's only finally considered it after my persistence after reading an article about how its given quality of life to individuals with muscle wasting illness.
I thought I'd come to the experts!!
The research shows that even low doses have helped patients gain and keep 10 to 15 pounds of quality Lbm. These minimal gains can do wonders for someone in my condition.
My thoughts are even at that low a dose shouldn't we also be adding some test. Its not the most important thing in my life, but I am married and making love to my wife is not something I'd want to give up.
Also I mentioned to him some post cycle therapy (pct) and he didn't think it neccesary.
Sorry to ramble on just want to give you guys some background, as much info as possible to help you advise me.
I'm thinking about 8-10 weeks of 100mg deca and adding some test...?? throughout the cycle, and then post cycle therapy (pct) of 10 mg nov or clen roughly two weeks after last inject. For about two or three weeks..??
This is what I've come up with after doing my research. I would be extremely appreciative of any help and advise you guys may offer.
I'm 35 5' 8" and pretty under weight!! Just want to feel better about myself
and have some quality time with my family!
Thank you!

 

[Nicky T]

Anyone??
Thank you!

 

[g1234]

deca alone is indeed not a good idea, have u considered going to a more specialized doctor ?
you may need some kind of HRT, i dont know what ur illness exactly is but is it a hormone level problem?

 

[Nicky T]

Thanks for your reply!! I have a neuromuscular disease that is not hormone related.
However my research has shown that many patients like me are benefitting from low dose deca to get some muscle and weight back and overall feeling better.
By researching on this forum I found that as you said, deca alone prob not a good idea.
What I'm unsure of is, is it possible because of only 100mg over 10 wks good enough for adding 10 lbs but not large enough dose to worry about having to add test as well as pct.
I trust the doc but as you all may be aware when it comes to this you really have to do your own research.
I'm anxious to start the injections but just want to be sure of doing best possible way and spare myself some unnecessary side effects.
Again thanks so much for any help you can give!!

 

[Nicky T]

Sorry,
To answer your question "have u considered going to a more specialized doctor "?
I have pretty crappy ins. and a pretty good relationship with my current doc.
I'm willing to stay on this path and see how things go.
Guys I realize this is not a medical forum so I apologize if I'm not really on the right subject. Just trying what I can to improve my life. Thanks

 

[g1234]

since ur goals are pathology related and not BBing related..i would of course first advise you to go see a specialist thats more aware of this.. maybe with the approbation of ur current doc.

now this being said, maybe as ur goal is not BBing but add some clean muscle mass and dont want to worry about side effects.. maybe you should run primobolan or even milder stuff like anavar alone instead of bulking drugs like deca. This is an advice that would probably be stupid for any bodybuilder even newbie but since ur case is a bit special, it could be a good thing? cutting drugs like anavar/primo will show results, mild results, and you should not worry too much about side effects and the deca-dick problems.

hard to give any advice in your case.. and i have very poor experience.. maybe some of the gurus here will have better ideas

 

[Nicky T]

I thank you for your attempts and appreciate your honesty!!

 

[bigbodymingle]

talk to him about maybe running 100-300mg test a week

 

[Nicky T]

talk to him about maybe running 100-300mg test a week

Thanks! Do you mean in addition to deca or instead of?
What about post cycle therapy (pct) will it be necessary on a low dose, long 12 wk cycle?

I'm seeing my doc tommorrow would love to have as much info for him as possible. He will look into whatever I bring him Just need to know what I'm talking about. At least a bit.

 

[capospo]

Deca is definitely better at nitrogen retention but if you can get some test to go with it, that would be perfect for you.

 

[bigbodymingle]

Depends, are you going to start HRT or testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? If you were just going to run it for 10-12 weeks then yes, you will need post cycle therapy (pct). I would just try the test alone.

 

[Nicky T]

Not really gonna start HRT more or less giving my body a bit of a boost.
Say roughly 100mg test or deca or a stack of the two(I only say this because the doc is only talking about the deca I'm not sure he'll go for the test) Otherwise I'd be on board with your suggestion.
With 100mg for 10 or 12 weeks is 10-20 mg a day of nov enough of a post cycle therapy (pct) and how long should I take it for? Again I'll be running all this by my doc so I just really appreciate all your help Thanks so much!!
I'm already getting pretty excited knowing that I might finally be looking and feeling better Its been a long battle and I cant tell you how great this feels!!

 

[Nicky T]

Deca is definitely better at nitrogen retention but if you can get some test to go with it, that would be perfect for you.

Thanks Capo! Do you have an opinion or suggestion on the cycle I have in mind. If the doc agrees I'd be running 100 mg deca with test for 10 weeks and then 10mg a day nov 2 or 3 weeks after last injection.
Just not sure how to run the test in concurence with the deca?(Every week evry two...???)
I appreciate any info thank you!

 

[bigbodymingle]

what disease is it that you are trying to combat?

 

[capospo]

You're welcome but I'm confused as to what your goal is here bro. You keep using the word "cycle" when in fact the amount you've mentioned you want to use is nowhere close to a cycle. I was under the impression you were just looking to preserve lean muscle mass due to a medical condition. If you are looking to do a true cycle, then you need to definitely eat and take in a lot of calories... and then you can think about what you want to run. If I heard you correctly, you were very underweight so stacking a bunch of stuff isn't really going to do a whole lot for you. Gear doesn't magically put mass on you if you aren't getting enough calories to grow. I guess you need to clarify what exactly you are trying to accomplish and you will get some better feedback.

 

[maverickLA]

In my opinion, if you are looking to bounce back to a normal LBT weight from a deficit of such, a low dose of Test may be all you need. However, what is your condition? I apologize if you stated it and I missed it. Anavar would also seem to be a better choice than Deca if just looking to prevent muscle wasting. This is once again just my opinion. Whatever you decide to do, you will have to run a post cycle therapy (pct). Many doctors believe that being on a very low dose of Test will not shut you down, however - it very well can. If it does - you will lose the benefit of the prior ten weeks.

 

[Nicky T]

what disease is it that you are trying to combat?

I've been through months of testing you name it they tested me for it
its not even an official diagnosis but they think they have it narrowed down to a rare virus this is where it gets difficult its a virus simmaler to the hiv virus its affected me nueurologicly as well as muscular atrophy and really affects my appetite but I do have most days pretty good a few extra pounds of lbm would do wonders for my phsyce.
Thanks for asking

 

[maverickLA]

Also - research Anavar and it's use in preventing AIDs related muscle waisting. However - I see that you said your muscle wasting disease is non - hormone related? If this is the case and your natural test levels are normal - a low dose of test will do nothing for you and would only be useful if you were running another compound..of course. To many variables here.

 

[bigbodymingle]

like i said, run test 300 mg a week for 10 weeks and see how you feel

 

[bigbodymingle]

Also - research Anavar and it's use in preventing AIDs related muscle waisting. However - I see that you said your muscle wasting disease is non - hormone related? If this is the case and your natural test levels are normal - a low dose of test will do nothing for you and would only be useful if you were running another compound..of course. To many variables here.

Just because he has normal test levels doesnt mean a low dose (250 mg) wouldnt work for him..