My first AAS cycle. var only! (Ha jk its test)

[premedped]

Interesting. What else causes the increased sensitivity? I am just going to stay the course and hope everything levels out right. It could just be my testicles shutting down before my ester kickin in and the AIs only keeping my E2 in range but still greater than my current test at the start.

 

[premedped]

UPDATE*

I woke up this morning with a boner I havent had since i was probably 14 in math class. I coulda hung a coat on it. Also upping my dose to 12.5 aromisin ED has made me feel a lot better.

Going for bloods this week and i bet if i stay the course like this they will be quite solid.

Also it seems like through all my reading everyone said aromisin is hella strong and 12.5 EOD or 6.25 ED will be enough but after talking with boss there are a lot of people who take 12.5 ED and even 25 ED!! Can anyone speak to this wild difference in dose amongst the AAS community?

Thanks.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Sensitive nipples doesn't mean gyno. Many reasons for sensitive nipples. I have a VERY hard time believing that with adex and aromasin. Aromasin is by far the weaker of the two. Were they from the same source? Do you have blood work showing your E2 levels with each AI? If all you're basing this on is sensitive nipples it really isn't an objective analysis.

Yes I forgot to add this was also with blood work, 12.5mg Aromasin lowers my e2 more than 1mg of adex. These were both from the pharmacy not from a RC supplier.

And yes, if my nipples are burning and I am an emotional moody bitch on 1mg Adex and 12.5mg aromasin stops that... I don't need blood work to know that aromasin is stronger for me however yes, bloodwork was done to confirm. Many will say aromasin is the weaker of the two, but like said, what works on paper doesn't always work in real life.

premedped, the reason being is that everyone will be different in how they are affected. You will find the typical response is adex is stronger than aromasin, for the majority yes but some people, myself included, find adex not strong enough and aromasin does the job well. Same thing with some people needing 300mg test a week for TRT yet 100mg a week will put the guy next to them at the same level on blood work.

What works for you is not always going to work for someone else.

 

[Optimal]

UPDATE*

I woke up this morning with a boner I havent had since i was probably 14 in math class. I coulda hung a coat on it. Also upping my dose to 12.5 aromisin ED has made me feel a lot better.

Going for bloods this week and i bet if i stay the course like this they will be quite solid.

Also it seems like through all my reading everyone said aromisin is hella strong and 12.5 EOD or 6.25 ED will be enough but after talking with boss there are a lot of people who take 12.5 ED and even 25 ED!! Can anyone speak to this wild difference in dose amongst the AAS community?

Thanks.

Might have something to do with potency, I've heard it suggested that AI's tend to range much more than the gear itself... not necessarily on purpose though.

For me, running the equivalent of 320-370mg/wk (after converting deca at 20% aromatization rate of test) seems to working ok with 6.25mg/day. 12.5 should probably be fine for you but everyone is unique so just keep an eye on it (& your sex drive & any possible joint pain).

Good luck man, you seem to got this figured out. Though considering the slow nature of the ester, a bit longer than 10 weeks might be advisable (even more-so than upping the dose imo.. if you had to choose one).

Clomid is also superior to Nolva in restoring but a common side from it is youll get very emotional/depressed on it which for me makes it a real pain, 50mg for 4 weeks will suffice,

I think it's precisely these dosages that are in part to blame for the emotional issues. I haven't seen any studies suggesting that 50mg/day does anything more than 25mg (but admittedly I haven't looked into it too much since I don't think I'm going to PCT anytime soon, lol).

 

[STAUNCHED427]

It is also another reason why for a first cycle just test is recommended so you can gauge how sensitive to e2 you are and get a chance to also see how much adex/stane you need etc

Everyone's body chemisty is going to vary dude, 250mg test E7D gets me to 2200ng/dl at the trough, but for many 250mg will have them at well below 2200ng/dl so you have to see how things will go with you. If 12.5mg is keeping you feeling well and giving a good sex drive with reduced bloat then safe to say you have got your e2 in a part of the range you want it at and blood work will confirm that.

I think it's precisely these dosages that are in part to blame for the emotional issues. I haven't seen any studies suggesting that 50mg/day does anything more than 25mg (but admittedly I haven't looked into it too much since I don't think I'm going to PCT any time soon, lol).

Clomid acts stronger at the pituitary compared Nolva which explains the sides, it was also intended be an agonist when marketed as it is a female fertility drug also. I think it's widely accepted now that 50mg is the optimum dose for Clomid during PCT and any higher is just going to give more sides with not much more benefit. I have also come across someone who with bloodwork found that 25mg Clomid monotherapy didn't raise their test as high as 50mg did.

 

[premedped]

Interesting. What i've noticed is that after an injection, if i try to take a day off the aromosin (to see if i can get away with 12.5 EOD) my nips swell, i feel and look bloated, its almost like i aromatize rapidly. My BF is a little high so im working on getting that down to slow the rate of Arom.

Im heading up to GNC right now to get some CLA, chromium, green tea extract and caffiene. Jst to help with a little bit of the lean out. Any other recommendations?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Interesting. What i've noticed is that after an injection, if i try to take a day off the aromosin (to see if i can get away with 12.5 EOD) my nips swell, i feel and look bloated, its almost like i aromatize rapidly. My BF is a little high so im working on getting that down to slow the rate of Arom.

Im heading up to GNC right now to get some CLA, chromium, green tea extract and caffiene. Jst to help with a little bit of the lean out. Any other recommendations?

You don't need bloodwork to tell you that 12.5mg EOD is not going to cut it in regards to e2 control then. Stick with the 12.5mg ED... stane has a shorter half life compared to adex/letro so ED dosing if always better when using stane. And yes, higher body fat means more aromatase.

 

[premedped]

UPDATE. Week 3 begins tomorrow. The first 2 weeks were a bit of an up and down as my body was seemingly trying to figure things out, but lately I've been feeling amazing in the mornings and 12.5 Aromisin ED at noon has got my E2 under control. My skin is starting to break out intensely though so i have added a bunch of vitamins on the side to maybe help with some of these minor sides.

They are b6, NAC, vitamin C, zinc, CLA, and chromium. I was going to grab b12 too but as i understand it- megadosing b12 leads to increased production of RBC and test is already sky rocketing my RBCS so maybe thats not the best idea?

Any other side supps I am missing? Creatine is amazing with the pumps but the bloat must be controlled. Therefore it got dropped.

 

[premedped]

UPDATE. Week 3 began today. Been feeling a lot better and more stable but i have noticed that after injections i get a small amount of hives on my ass. I dont get an allergic reaction i dont think (never been allergic to anything) but it definitely is some what of a localized reaction. Its not infected though, no red streaks, swelling, or heat but just itchy hives?!

Any help?

Thanks.

 

[alexh1]

congrats on researching and gathering everything you need before starting you cycle haha, most people just wing it..

 

[lachrymist]

UPDATE. Week 3 began today. Been feeling a lot better and more stable but i have noticed that after injections i get a small amount of hives on my ass. I dont get an allergic reaction i dont think (never been allergic to anything) but it definitely is some what of a localized reaction. Its not infected though, no red streaks, swelling, or heat but just itchy hives?!

Any help?

Thanks.

if it gets worse you might want to get some antibiotics

 

[premedped]

Alright so it's week 4. The red and swollen injection site spread to around my hip and I gave it 72 hrs to go down. Basically drew lines with a pen and each day if it surpassed lines I drew new ones. It kept moving around almost like it was a localized reaction to the oil and it's movement but I got antibiotics cause I know To fuck with infections (as a kid after a surgery I got an infection in the wound that let to IV antibiotics, drainage and eventually re opening the wound, burning the pit, and restitching it. Holy fuck was that serious. So I got some antibiotics just in case. Anyway I think I am having to stop the cycle because the test just doesn't fly with me. I don't doubt that it or my ancillaries are dosed well because I actually have had great results in 4 weeks. Nothing to write home about but I was definitely on another level last week.

My question is- what has been causing my immune system to explode with the test for 4 weeks?! And how best should I begin my PCT (was on test e 300 a week for most of cycle)

I got clomid nolva aromas in, everything.