my first and strong cycle... please, advice the cycle I elaborated

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markkerry

Junior Bodybuilder
week

1 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

2 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

3 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

4 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

5 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

6 Deca: 300mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Primobolan 400mg/week

7 ----------- | Test Cypionate 600mg | Primobolan 400mg/week

8 ----------- | Test Cypionate 600mg | Primobolan 400mg/week

9 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day

10 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day

11 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day

12 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day
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: WAIT 2 WEEKS AFTER YOUR LAST SHOT OF TEST TO START THE PCT :
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PCT - Post Cycle Therapy
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Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E

1 20mg/day 500iu/day 20mg/day 1000iu/day

2 20mg/day 500iu/day 20mg/day 1000iu/day

3 20mg/day 500iu/day 20mg/day 1000iu/day

4 20mg/day ---------- 20mg/day

5 20mg/day

6 20mg/day

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markkerry said:
week

1 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

2 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

3 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

4 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

5 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

6 Deca: 300mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Primobolan 400mg/week

7 ----------- | Test Cypionate 600mg | Primobolan 400mg/week

8 ----------- | Test Cypionate 600mg | Primobolan 400mg/week

9 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day

10 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day

11 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day

12 ----------- | Test Cypionate 300mg | Primobolan 300mg/week | Winstrol 50mg/day
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: WAIT 2 WEEKS AFTER YOUR LAST SHOT OF TEST TO START THE post cycle therapy (pct) :
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post cycle therapy (pct) - Post Cycle Therapy
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E

1 20mg/day 500iu/day 20mg/day 1000iu/day

2 20mg/day 500iu/day 20mg/day 1000iu/day

3 20mg/day 500iu/day 20mg/day 1000iu/day

4 20mg/day ---------- 20mg/day

5 20mg/day

6 20mg/day

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what is your age and weight bro?
 
markkerry said:
I'm 30yrs old, 6'3, 185lbs, and body-fat about 9.3%
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Not bad man. Okay I would like to comment on a few things but its constructive.

I would suggest you take clomid with your nolvadex for post cycle therapy (pct). Some say 50mg a day, others load up on it the first few weeks like 300mg ED week 1, 100mg week 2, then back to 50mg EoD..... fact is clomid is better than no clomid so choose a method and see it out, I would suggest 50mg ED for 4 weeks.

I would double check when your gonna shoot the HCG, there are studies out there that suggest taking the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) much earlier, or at least within 10 days of the last pin, not during post cycle therapy (pct). It can suppress some things while its helping you come back online, but you'll read about that. Check out the sticky "standard PCT's" a good read.

Lastly your diet. I like being heavy but it appears you do not. Just make sure your eating enough on cycle. I know you threw some Winstrol (winny) in it so I can see you want to cut at the end, but cutting does sacrifice gains. As long as you know what your goals are I'm sure you'll be ok. Just don't expect to be 215 @ 10% bodyfat.... if you try to cut you might be 200 @ 10%, but you are gonna lose a lot of muscle.

Other than that you can tell you've done some research. GJ thinking for yourself and watching out for your body. My opinions are just that, mine. You may find information that tells you to do otherwise and thats okay, just make good choices regarding Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) timing and clomid dosage.

GL have fun!
 
Oh one big thing I forgot. Deca should be run for a minimum of 12 weeks. I would consider dropping the primo or the deca. And remember to stop deca a week earlier than the test if you go that route. I don't use primo, so I will not comment about that at all.
 
Ya don't even take deca if your gonna run it for 6 weeks. Complete waste. Is this your first injected steriod? Is that why u called it strong? If it is I would suggest test c for 12 weeks. The reason for that is if you get bad sides you won't know what its coming from. It's easiest to jist keep it simple right now. You got too much foing on here. How's your diet? Your a bit small. In order to get big on gear you have to be able to get big without.
 
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ErectusMaximus said:
Oh one big thing I forgot. Deca should be run for a minimum of 12 weeks. I would consider dropping the primo or the deca. And remember to stop deca a week earlier than the test if you go that route. I don't use primo, so I will not comment about that at all.
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The more you run test after deca the better. I run deca 12 and test at least 14
 
ok, how about this now:


week

1 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

2 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

3 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

4 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

5 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

6 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

7 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

8 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

9 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

10 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

11 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

12 ------------ | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day
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diet is good... meals every 2 hours... shakes, carbs, creatine, glucosamine, glutamine etc... I wanna get big and stay ripped.. so that's why I added Winstrol (winny) at the end of the cycle...
 
Any specific reason as to why you'd want to run such a "strong" cycle for your first? I mean... You can do what you choose and if you can handle it more power to you, but what's your background story? What does your past gym experience look like? For whaever reason I'm not too convinced you've had much training and you're trying to sprint through this..
 
Cont... I think your lack of gym experience is evident in your mentioned stats so nevermind. 6'3 185lbs is kinda puney.. Especially for your height, good dieting and a steady gym regimen would be more beneficial at this point as opposed to juicing honestly, but really it's up to you. Good luck! If you're using this as a log I'll check in to keep track of your progress.
 
markkerry said:
ok, how about this now:


week

1 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

2 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

3 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

4 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

5 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

6 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

7 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

8 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

9 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

10 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

11 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

12 ------------ | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day
---------------------------------------------------------------

diet is good... meals every 2 hours... shakes, carbs, creatine, glucosamine, glutamine etc... I wanna get big and stay ripped.. so that's why I added Winstrol (winny) at the end of the cycle...
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you wanna get big and ripped so you added Winstrol (winny)? Hahaha all Winstrol (winny) does is make your joints hurt and dry you out. The water comes right back. If your running your cycle like this your gonna get deca dick most likely. Regardless you need food not gear. Good luck. Though you probably won't keep gains cuz you don't eat right.
 
bigherm2121 said:
you wanna get big and ripped so you added Winstrol (winny)? Hahaha all Winstrol (winny) does is make your joints hurt and dry you out. The water comes right back. If your running your cycle like this your gonna get deca dick most likely. Regardless you need food not gear. Good luck. Though you probably won't keep gains cuz you don't eat right.
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I second this!
 
i'm training seriously since april 2009, supplements (creatine, glucosamine, B12, l-glutamine, arginine, etc), 5 to 6 meals a day rich in calories, good carbs, lean and lots of protein + I'm becoming a trainer at the gym, so my exercises are very intense and explosive.... always running super and drop sets... on the flat bench press I can do 2 plates of 45 in each side... so, I believe im prettty much ready for my first cycle...

I wonder why deca and test mean a strong and powerful cycle?!! and I think a 4-week Winstrol (winny) at the end would help to get more cut after gaining some size and strength...

why deca dick is evident in this cycle if I'm running test along with Winstrol (winny) n deca??

thanks to all of you guys for the advices.... it's always appreciated!
 
Necrosis said:
Any specific reason as to why you'd want to run such a "strong" cycle for your first? I mean... You can do what you choose and if you can handle it more power to you, but what's your background story? What does your past gym experience look like? For whaever reason I'm not too convinced you've had much training and you're trying to sprint through this..
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I wanna get bigger.. it's been months that I don't grow more than what I am now... dieting, doing proper and always changing exercises seem to not work anymore... I always wanted to use DECA, but because of the deca dick problem I added test as its base! deca will help some joints pain also! and im considering Winstrol (winny) at the end to cut up more after gaining some size!
 
markkerry said:
ok, how about this now:


week

1 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

2 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

3 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

4 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

5 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

6 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

7 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

8 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg

9 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

10 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

11 Deca: 400mg | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day

12 ------------ | Test Cypionate 600mg | Winstrol 50mg/day
---------------------------------------------------------------

diet is good... meals every 2 hours... shakes, carbs, creatine, glucosamine, glutamine etc... I wanna get big and stay ripped.. so that's why I added Winstrol (winny) at the end of the cycle...
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bigherm2121 said:
The more you run test after deca the better. I run deca 12 and test at least 14
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ok this is what I said before run deca 12 and test 14. Regardless what compound you take you always need a test base. A real first cycle should be test only anyway. You have to see how your body reacts to the test. So your fucked cuz if you get terrible sides you won't know what its from cuz your taking two compounds. I'm just trying to help you from experience. Steroids aren't some magical pill. If you don't eat you still won't gain.
 
Dude winstrol sucks big Dick. The only real reason to take it is for prep in a comp. All its gonna do is make your joints ache. Flush that shit down the toliet
 
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