My first cycle, 21 years old + ***** Labs

[Testosterone123]

Age:21
Weight:180
Ht:6'2

Bench:220
Squat:275
Deadlift:330

Test E 350 mg a week for 10 weeks
HCG 250 iu every 3.5 days from weeks 1 to 10

Arimidex at .25 mg every other day from day 2 up until PCT starts

PCT: wait 14 days after last test injection to start
Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20
Clomid at 100/50/50/50
Not sure if Test E 350 mg is enough to see gains, I'm going for strength btw.

 

[Milton]

21.....? and asking for source contact?

 

[Testosterone123]

21.....? and asking for source contact?

yes what is wrong with that

edit: im gunna pm you

 

[Milton]

yes what is wrong with that

edit: im gunna pm you

Ok, guys and gals gathered around the campfire here today, how should we answer this kid of 21 years of age who wants to start a cycle? In case you do not see under my ussername it says admin so I have all the right in the world to be here on this occasion.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

First of all, you need to understand the permanent damage that will occur in your brain and endocrine system by using AAS at your age. I would link you to some very valuable information on the subject but I can't find the thread atm. You should seriously reconsider using AAS so young. There are a lot less risks after the age of 23-25 (in most men.)

Secondly, if you decide to go ahead with this anyway then you may aswell get bang for your buck. 350mg test will see you gains, but it's not really worth all the risk your taking. We usually recommend 500mg/week for first cycles. A moderate dose though it will still yield great gains. Not much difference in risk factor from 350mg but the rewards will be much greater.

Your proposed AI dose would be way too much for most people on 350mg - keep it the same for 500mg and see how you go. It might still be too much. I usually tell guys to start with 0.25mg twice per week then assess from there.

PCT looks good but I'd wait three weeks. Enanthate ester takes a while to clear.

 

[Testosterone123]

I don't want to do 500 mg because it will be plain as day that I'm on something. Another thing, many many other people have started even before 18 and they came out just fine even with no PCT. I will be fine.

I really need this cycle, coming up is my junior year for baseball and I need to get bigger and in crease my power to weight ratio to throw harder.

 

[Testosterone123]

Yes I saw that it said admin, and I understand that 21 is a little bit young, but many many other people have started before 18, with no pct, and without the slightest clue as to how anabloics work and have come out just fine from it all.

 

[Milton]

Going for the fast and quick glory will hurt you later in life. There are lots of guys around here who can tell you stories that will make your hair stand and cause you sleepless nights. We are just looking out for you bro, if you where my kid I would have you reconsider and do it the right way. Its your choice, good luck! How about your natural routine now? Hows your diet? Are you eating like a beast to become the beast that you want to be on the field? The big advantage that you have right now is that your body at your age is still very manageable naturally, with the right beast diet, workout routine etc, you can do it Natty. Its just my two cents worth.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I don't want to do 500 mg because it will be plain as day that I'm on something. Another thing, many many other people have started even before 18 and they came out just fine even with no PCT. I will be fine.

I really need this cycle, coming up is my junior year for baseball and I need to get bigger and in crease my power to weight ratio to throw harder.

Yes I saw that it said admin, and I understand that 21 is a little bit young, but many many other people have started before 18, with no pct, and without the slightest clue as to how anabloics work and have come out just fine from it all.

Please don't kid yourself. Just because they haven't produced any noticable symptoms does not mean they are fine. In all likelihood they are very unhealthy and have certainly permanently damaged both their brain and HPTA. Early AAS use literally damages the brain and cognitive abilities. They will never develop into their full potential. Not to mention they will have much lower natural test now.. and by the time they hit 21-25 will probably be hypogonadal.

Also, how many of them are likely to tell you that their dicks stopped working? Just because you don't see the issues doesn't mean they aren't there.

It IS possible they look and feel fine now, but in no means is that any rationale to go by. Why take the risk? Because you 'need' to be bigger for baseball? Permanent life long damage doesn't seem worth that to me... but it's your choice. Just know the risks and don't downplay them because you know stupider people who 'seem fine.'

No offence but if you're looking to take gear it'll be obvious to anyone in the know. I would still go with 500mg and just restrict or cycle calories. But again, your choice.. I just don't see the risk:reward there.

 

[Testosterone123]

Going for the fast and quick glory will hurt you later in life. There are lots of guys around here who can tell you stories that will make your hair stand and cause you sleepless nights. We are just looking out for you bro, if you where my kid I would have you reconsider and do it the right way. Its your choice, good luck! How about your natural routine now? Hows your diet? Are you eating like a beast to become the beast that you want to be on the field? The big advantage that you have right now is that your body at your age is still very manageable naturally, with the right beast diet, workout routine etc, you can do it Natty. Its just my two cents worth.

Right now I'm doing 5/3/1 and my diet is basically I eat as much healthy food as I can. No sugar, eat all my carbs in the morning, and stay away from packaged foods. Honestly I feel like my endocrine system was at its peak when I was 14, legit back then my test must of been through the roof, because I would seriously have a boner 24/7, now, I have to think about women to get hard, and nowadays I've been feeling tired and depressed. I don't think I could do it natty with the amount of time I have left I need something that'll give me a push.

 

[Testosterone123]

Please don't kid yourself. Just because they haven't produced any noticable symptoms does not mean they are fine. In all likelihood they are very unhealthy and have certainly permanently damaged both their brain and HPTA. Early AAS use literally damages the brain and cognitive abilities. They will never develop into their full potential. Not to mention they will have much lower natural test now.. and by the time they hit 21-25 will probably be hypogonadal.

Also, how many of them are likely to tell you that their dicks stopped working? Just because you don't see the issues doesn't mean they aren't there.

It IS possible they look and feel fine now, but in no means is that any rationale to go by. Why take the risk? Because you 'need' to be bigger for baseball? Permanent life long damage doesn't seem worth that to me... but it's your choice. Just know the risks and don't downplay them because you know stupider people who 'seem fine.'

No offence but if you're looking to take gear it'll be obvious to anyone in the know. I would still go with 500mg and just restrict or cycle calories. But again, your choice.. I just don't see the risk:reward there.

Please show me one study/information that points to AAS contributing to brain damage in teens/youngadults who did a Proper cycle at a moderate dosage. You're blowing AAS out of the water just like what the media does.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Right now I'm doing 5/3/1 and my diet is basically I eat as much healthy food as I can. No sugar, eat all my carbs in the morning, and stay away from packaged foods. Honestly I feel like my endocrine system was at its peak when I was 14, legit back then my test must of been through the roof, because I would seriously have a boner 24/7, now, I have to think about women to get hard, and nowadays I've been feeling tired and depressed. I don't think I could do it natty with the amount of time I have left I need something that'll give me a push.

That is not a good sign. Get some blood work done first. The last thing you need now is a cycle if you're already low on T or have mental inhibitions/issues. Although please note you are generally always going to hornier when you're going through puberty - it's natural to taper off into the 20s as you get used to the abundant hormones and they are no longer rapidly climbing. AAS is no joke - you can become dependent on life-long injections if you're HPTA doesn't start back up. At least know what you're getting into.

Btw, you've just raised another huge red flag... your diet is to 'eat healthy?' You really need to learn to track calories and macronutrients bro - you'll never end up progressing trying to wing it. Set your cals and macros and make sure you hit them every day and you'll gain a tonne. Way more than you thought you could. You don't realise how smart the brain is at regulating bodyweight. If you don't actively try to bulk the brain will do it's best to stop you. Track cals man...

 

[Testosterone123]

That is not a good sign. Get some blood work done first. The last thing you need now is a cycle if you're already low on T or have mental inhibitions/issues. Although please note you are generally always going to hornier when you're going through puberty - it's natural to taper off into the 20s as you get used to the abundant hormones and they are no longer rapidly climbing. AAS is no joke - you can become dependent on life-long injections if you're HPTA doesn't start back up. At least know what you're getting into.

Btw, you've just raised another huge red flag... your diet is to 'eat healthy?' You really need to learn to track calories and macronutrients bro - you'll never end up progressing trying to wing it. Set your cals and macros and make sure you hit them every day and you'll gain a tonne. Way more than you thought you could. You don't realise how smart the brain is at regulating bodyweight. If you don't actively try to bulk the brain will do it's best to stop you. Track cals man...

I legit have been eating food with the most of amount of calories, 6 times a day, as much my stomach can be filled each time.

 

[Milton]

Please show me one study/information that points to AAS contributing to brain damage in teens/youngadults who did a Proper cycle at a moderate dosage. You're blowing AAS out of the water just like what the media does.

I personally will not show you a study.
I will let our 320,000 plus members who know about it, some first hand deal with this and dole out their personal advice. Experience is a far better teacher for me. Experience is better for me than any study.

 

[Milton]

I legit have been eating food with the most of amount of calories, 6 times a day, as much my stomach can be filled each time.

At what times of the day and night are you eating? Do you eat before practice, post practice? and what snacks are you munching on during the day and night? and you said that you eat foods with the most calories? are these fast foods? natty foods? this will make a big difference in your bulk goals.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Please show me one study/information that points to AAS contributing to brain damage in teens/youngadults who did a Proper cycle at a moderate dosage. You're blowing AAS out of the water just like what the media does.

I am the last person to blow AAS use out the water, or fear monger it in any case. I'm just trying to prevent you from making the same mistake I did - I am now on TRT for life due to early AAS use. I do in fact have several studies to back this claim as well I just can't access them atm... I'm hoping Milton can copy them over here for you. Don't think I'm attacking you either bro, I just want you to understand what you're getting into and make an informed decision.

I personally will not show you a study.
I will let our 320,000 plus members who know about it, some first hand deal with this and dole out their personal advice. Experience is a far better teacher for me. Experience is better for me than any study.

Milton, are you able to access Rip's Thread of Knowledge? If so, can you go copy the two posts (part 1 and part 2) he made there regarding using AAS too early and post them here please? They included three or four seperate (really fantastic) studies which would be great for Testosterone123 to read. I can't access the thread atm and for the life of me cannot remember the titles of the studies to search for them.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I legit have been eating food with the most of amount of calories, 6 times a day, as much my stomach can be filled each time.

Sweet, how many calories and what's the macro set up? and how much have you been gaining per week on this current diet?

 

[Testosterone123]

I eat as soon as I wake up, and I dont start eating till I lay down to go to sleep, I eat before, during, and after practice. Snacks? Cashews and other nuts. No these arent fast foods. Mainly eggs and bacon and chicken breast/rice and brocolli.

 

[Milton]

I am the last person to blow AAS use out the water, or fear monger it in any case. I'm just trying to prevent you from making the same mistake I did - I am now on TRT for life due to early AAS use. I do in fact have several studies to back this claim as well I just can't access them atm... I'm hoping Milton can copy them over here for you. Don't think I'm attacking you either bro, I just want you to understand what you're getting into and make an informed decision.



Milton, are you able to access Rip's Thread of Knowledge? If so, can you go copy the two posts (part 1 and part 2) he made there regarding using AAS too early and post them here please? They included three or four seperate (really fantastic) studies which would be great for Testosterone123 to read. I can't access the thread atm and for the life of me cannot remember the titles of the studies to search for them.

Let me reach into the bowels of ology and dig it up. Hmm... that did not come out right. lol

 

[Testosterone123]

I am the last person to blow AAS use out the water, or fear monger it in any case. I'm just trying to prevent you from making the same mistake I did - I am now on TRT for life due to early AAS use. I do in fact have several studies to back this claim as well I just can't access them atm... I'm hoping Milton can copy them over here for you. Don't think I'm attacking you either bro, I just want you to understand what you're getting into and make an informed decision.



Milton, are you able to access Rip's Thread of Knowledge? If so, can you go copy the two posts (part 1 and part 2) he made there regarding using AAS too early and post them here please? They included three or four seperate (really fantastic) studies which would be great for Testosterone123 to read. I can't access the thread atm and for the life of me cannot remember the titles of the studies to search for them.

Yes please do show me these studies.