My First Cycle and need help photos added

[djdigy]

Hi everybody,

I'm 1.80 cm , 77kg, age 31, arms 41 cm and into bodybuilding for 8 years now. This will be my first cycle. I will publish my progression with your support. I'm awaiting for experienced user's suggestions.

Here is me:

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i have 15 vials of Galenika Testosteron Depo (enanthate) each one is 250ml
Enough Primobolans (i live in Turkey so 100% real and cheap for me)
2 boxes of Clenbuterol
Vitamin B complex pills, Milk Thistle and Vitamin C (all to protect my liver), Saw palmetto, Zinc

Planned cycle is like this:

Week 1 Testosteron 250 ml
Week 2 Testosteron 500 ml + 1 Clenbuterol pills before training (note: 1 clenbuterol pills is 0,02mg)
Week 3 Testosteron 500 ml + 100 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 4 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 5 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + (rest for clenbuterol)
Week 6 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 7 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 8 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan+ 2 Clenbuterol pills before training

Now my questions:

1-My trainer said the cycle will be 8 weeks What are your suggestions ? 8 week is enough for debut? how should i plan it? I want lean muscle. As you can see i have fat over my six packs

2-How much vitamin B, C, Milk thistle ...etc should i use to avoid liver problems and acne. Should i use anything else along with these? proviron? nolvadex?

3-Should i inject the test together with primobolan in the same shot? or one by one? i know i have to warm them all cause they are oil right?

4-What should i do after my last injection? how to plan PCT? do i absolutly need it? Detailed help is welcome about this.

 

[tbonexl]

Have u ever used gear before? If so, u need a ton of research. Go read the stickys

 

[djdigy]

hi,

I've done primobolan only cyles (1 each week and for 4 weeks only) i know it's nothing , not a real cycle I know for the first cycle testosteron only injections are recommended but i''m already adding very low dosages of primobolan to my cycle. I know what primobolan does and what testosteron does, that's it. i've never used testosteron.i don't know how my body will react so i want to know everything BEFORE starting the cycle. And be prepared for negative aspects. So your suggestions are very important for me.

 

[KraviMan]

Now my questions:

1-My trainer said the cycle will be 8 weeks What are your suggestions ? 8 week is enough for debut? how should i plan it? I want lean muscle. As you can see i have fat over my six packs

2-How much vitamin B, C, Milk thistle ...etc should i use to avoid liver problems and acne. Should i use anything else along with these? proviron? nolvadex?

3-Should i inject the test together with primobolan in the same shot? or one by one? i know i have to warm them all cause they are oil right?

4-What should i do after my last injection? how to plan PCT? do i absolutly need it? Detailed help is welcome about this.

1. Your trainer must not know what he's talking about because an average Test cycle is 10-14 weeks. Effects usually kick in after 4-5 weeks, so 8 weeks is a bit short. It'll still kick in, but normally people want the full effects so they extend to 10-14 weeks. Something to think about there.

2. Recommended dosages are fine. Maybe consider an A.I. if you get some gyno.

3. You can use the same shot, yes.

4. Usually after ~2 weeks you can start your post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva, Clomid, Torem, all work well as post cycle therapy (pct). Read the stickies on the forums for some really good info on this subject.

 

[djdigy]

Thank you for the answers

i've read the PCT threat but couldn't find any exemple for my cycle. Let me specify my pct question:

1- Should i use proviron during my cycle? or after?
2- If i feel something wrong with my nipples what should i do?
3 What should i do exactly after my last testosteron injection ? Wait for 2 weeks or 3 weeks? How much nolvadex? When and how much pregnyl?

 

[MustangDX]

Hi everybody,

I'm 1.80 cm , 77kg, age 31, arms 41 cm and into bodybuilding for 8 years now. This will be my first cycle. I will publish my progression with your support. I'm awaiting for experienced user's suggestions.

Here is me:

View attachment 549246View attachment 549247


i have 15 vials of Galenika Testosteron Depo (enanthate) each one is 250ml
Enough Primobolans (i live in Turkey so 100% real and cheap for me)
2 boxes of Clenbuterol
Vitamin B complex pills, Milk Thistle and Vitamin C (all to protect my liver), Saw palmetto, Zinc

Planned cycle is like this:

Week 1 Testosteron 250 ml
Week 2 Testosteron 500 ml + 1 Clenbuterol pills before training (note: 1 clenbuterol pills is 0,02mg)
Week 3 Testosteron 500 ml + 100 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 4 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 5 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + (rest for clenbuterol)
Week 6 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 7 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 8 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml Primobolan+ 2 Clenbuterol pills before training

Now my questions:

1-My trainer said the cycle will be 8 weeks What are your suggestions ? 8 week is enough for debut? how should i plan it? I want lean muscle. As you can see i have fat over my six packs

2-How much vitamin B, C, Milk thistle ...etc should i use to avoid liver problems and acne. Should i use anything else along with these? proviron? nolvadex?

3-Should i inject the test together with primobolan in the same shot? or one by one? i know i have to warm them all cause they are oil right?

4-What should i do after my last injection? how to plan PCT? do i absolutly need it? Detailed help is welcome about this.

You should punch your trainer in the face for recommending that cycle to you

 

[djdigy]

is this a better cycle? if i raise it to 10 weeks like this:

Week 1 Testosteron 250 ml
Week 2 Testosteron 250 ml
Week 3 Testosteron 250 ml + 100 ml primobolan + 1 Clenbuterol pills before training (note: 1 clenbuterol pills is 0,02mg)
Week 4 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 5 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 6 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml primobolan + (rest for clenbuterol)
Week 7 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 8 Testosteron 500 ml + 200 ml primobolan + 2 Clenbuterol pills before training
Week 9 Testosteron 250 ml
Week 10 Testosteron 250 ml

 

[soldier74]

Run test @ 500mgs/week for 12 weeks. 2 weeks after last shot start post cycle therapy (pct). This: clomid 50/50/50/50 & nolva 20/20/20/20. That's clomid 50mgs/wk for 4wks & nolva 20mgs/ wk for 4wks.

 

[KraviMan]

A better cycle IMO:

Wk. 01-12: Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x a week)
Wk. 13-14: No injections
Wk. 15-19: PCT (Nolva 40/40/20/20 + Clomid 50/50/50/50)

You can add some A.I. starting in week 3 or 4 if you notice any type of gyno issues. Anastrazole is popular at 0.25-0.5mg EOD (Every Other Day).

I know you have used Primo before, but I'd recommend just a Test Only cycle this time around. Maybe next cycle add in the Primo. Why does your trainer have you using Clen?

 

[djdigy]

A better cycle IMO:

Wk. 01-12: Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x a week)
Wk. 13-14: No injections
Wk. 15-19: post cycle therapy (pct) (Nolva 40/40/20/20 + Clomid 50/50/50/50)

You can add some A.I. starting in week 3 or 4 if you notice any type of gyno issues. Anastrazole is popular at 0.25-0.5mg EOD (Every Other Day).

I know you have used Primo before, but I'd recommend just a Test Only cycle this time around. Maybe next cycle add in the Primo. Why does your trainer have you using Clen?

Thank you very much this is a good post. The clen is for to reduce my fat a bit. I will be very careful with my diet. No sugar and no fat. Just Protein and low carb. . What is your suggestion to use clen?

i also think your cycle sounds better but let me ask how long should i continue to Anastrazole EOD? to the end of the cycle? and should i continue to use it even after last injection? or wait 2 weeks and start post cycle therapy (pct)?

thank you very much for your responses.

 

[zeus009]

ur not very aesthetic brah

 

[KraviMan]

Thank you very much this is a good post. The clen is for to reduce my fat a bit. I will be very careful with my diet. No sugar and no fat. Just Protein and low carb. . What is your suggestion to use clen?

i also think your cycle sounds better but let me ask how long should i continue to Anastrazole EOD? to the end of the cycle? and should i continue to use it even after last injection? or wait 2 weeks and start post cycle therapy (pct)?

thank you very much for your responses.

Clen is a good cutting drug so I recommend any type of diet meant to lose weight or recomp to be used with Clen. You should reconsider the low fat in your diet. Fats are good, maybe look into carb cycling? You could also look up 3J, he does great diets for people at an affordable price I've heard. As far as A.I. goes, you should start at the first sign of gyno issues and continue as long as you keep getting it. Most people generally use it from Week 3 or 4 all the way to the end of their last injection. It's up to you though. A.I. during post cycle therapy (pct) is a big no-no.

A good way to add A.I.:

Wk. 01-12: Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x a week)
Wk. 04-12: Arimidex 0.25-0.5mg EOD
Wk. 13-14: Nothing
Wk. 15-19: post cycle therapy (pct)

Keep in mind there are different A.I.s so look up the proper dosage of that specific compound in the stickies about post cycle therapy (pct), SERMs, and A.I.s.

ur not very aesthetic brah

You're not pretty yourself so be quiet.

~~~~OP, don't listen to this guy. He's a little trollking.~~~~

 

[clman8585]

ur not very aesthetic brah

And you look like the Pillsbury doughboy

 

[MustangDX]

Thank you very much this is a good post. The clen is for to reduce my fat a bit. I will be very careful with my diet. No sugar and no fat. Just Protein and low carb. . What is your suggestion to use clen?

i also think your cycle sounds better but let me ask how long should i continue to Anastrazole EOD? to the end of the cycle? and should i continue to use it even after last injection? or wait 2 weeks and start PCT?

thank you very much for your responses.

This is how I do it...

Week 1-12
Test E @500mgs/week, split up into 2 doses (Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-14
Anastrozole @0.5mgs, EOD (every other day)

Week 15-18 (PCT)
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20

 

[djdigy]

Clen is a good cutting drug so I recommend any type of diet meant to lose weight or recomp to be used with Clen. You should reconsider the low fat in your diet. Fats are good, maybe look into carb cycling? You could also look up 3J, he does great diets for people at an affordable price I've heard. As far as A.I. goes, you should start at the first sign of gyno issues and continue as long as you keep getting it. Most people generally use it from Week 3 or 4 all the way to the end of their last injection. It's up to you though. A.I. during PCT is a big no-no.

A good way to add A.I.:

Wk. 01-12: Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x a week)
Wk. 04-12: Arimidex 0.25-0.5mg EOD
Wk. 13-14: Nothing
Wk. 15-19: PCT

Keep in mind there are different A.I.s so look up the proper dosage of that specific compound in the stickies about PCT, SERMs, and A.I.s.



You're not pretty yourself so be quiet.

~~~~OP, don't listen to this guy. He's a little trollking.~~~~

Thank you very much for your help and time, this is really what i was looking for and very helpful

@mustangDX

Thank you, your cycle is much more secure i guess cuz you start anastrozole from the debut.

I hope not to receive bad side effects like gyno and acne. I'm very stressed but gotta start

 

[maplestring]

stop fucking nagging people you dumb fuck

Have u ever used gear before? If so, u need a ton of research. Go read the stickys

 

[Jonnie187]

A better cycle IMO:

Wk. 01-12: Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x a week)
Wk. 13-14: No injections
Wk. 15-19: PCT (Nolva 40/40/20/20 + Clomid 50/50/50/50)

You can add some A.I. starting in week 3 or 4 if you notice any type of gyno issues. Anastrazole is popular at 0.25-0.5mg EOD (Every Other Day).

I know you have used Primo before, but I'd recommend just a Test Only cycle this time around. Maybe next cycle add in the Primo. Why does your trainer have you using Clen?

yup!!! Perfect... This will get you some awesome results... Good strength gains more lean muscle mass. Therefore less body fat.. imo, dont use the clen... just roll with this recipe first.

 

[djdigy]

So guys i've got a little question... Some guys use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Pregnyl on PCT and some guys doesn't. What is it for, when used?

 

[destined4gr8ness]

You dont use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during pct, you use it during cycle and then blast it after cycle leading up to post cycle therapy (pct). It raises estrogen levels so using it during pct is counter productive. Im pretty sure there is a sticky about it..just read bro. all your questions could easily be answered in the sticky's.

I personally would use hcg. youre better over doing your support/pct than not doing it enough. You want to run 250iu 2x/week, with a blast after cycle, but make sure you stop it before you begin your clomid.

And dont bother using your primo man. If you run primo, you want to run it for atleast 12-14 weeks to get full effects and it needs to be run @ around 700mg/week.

You also need to read up on clen usage. you should only be running it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off unless you have keto, but running it for 9 weeks straight? I have never done that and I dont think many people do (I could be wrong), but it doesnt seem safe. plus after 2 weeks of taking clen you wont get the thermo effect. Hence why it should be taken 2 on 2 off

 

[djdigy]

@destined4gr8ness

Thank you very much bro. I'll take a look for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), i'm not sure if i have to use it for a beginner cycle like mine.

They say i need at least 400 mg primobolan for solid gains but it's too much for me. Maybe the next cycle I'll listen to you and to all other experienced users and go with testo only cycle.