My first cycle, any imput?

boti420

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This will be my first cycle, thats not including three cycles of Ph i did in the past of superdrol, ergomax, and m1t.

10 weeks of Test E at 500mg/week split into two doses of 250mg one on sunday one on thursday to better stabilize blood levels.

Also thinking of throwing in some superdrol at 20mg/day for 3 weeks during weeks 2-4 for a kickstar. What do you guys think of this, i have experience with superdrol so i should be able to diffferentiate any side effects between the test and the superdrol. Anyone here have experience with this combo, what are your thoguhts/experiences with it? Are weeks 2-4 a good time to use to kickstart or should i do it weeks 1-3? or 3-5?

PCT will consist of toremifene for four weeks following this dosage protocol 120/90/60/30. I have had great experience with this during my PH post cycle therapy (pct) and it worked a lot better than nolva. I might also throw in some ATD at 25/50/50/75 mg, also will use fenugeek.

Supplimentory supps
multivitamine, creatine, CoQ10, ALA, NAC, B-Complex, extra Vit C and E, Milk thistle, preload and use while on cycle of hawthorn berry, maybe some celery seed for BP, and maybe some garlic for cardiovascular health. might throw in Glucosamine/chondroitin starting 4weeks before if i think my joints might need it. I will also have extra toremifene on hand to combat any possible gyno, i'm considering just running it at 30mg EOD throughout the cycle to prevent gyno, what are your thoughts on running it like that? will it affect my gains? Would nolva be better? Will running ATD help if there is excessive water retention?

Diet/workout
Three day split m/w/f of push,pull,legs. I find thisworks good for me, will start a new routine at the beginning of cycle, my diet as always will be right on check, i'm really picky about my diuet, low GI carbs but will keep the carbs high, at least 200gram protein a day hopefully more, trying to keep fats mostly EFA's. Cycle will begin late winetr maybe jan/feb, trying to cut down to 10%BF first, that should put me at about 185-190lbs at the time.

To conclude my main questions

Any comments/experiences on the superdrol as a kickstarter and the time it will be used?

Should i run the toremifene EOD at 20-30mg to prevent gyno? Would nolva be better?

Will ATD be helpful for excessive water retention? Is it useful for the PCT?

Is my dosage protocol for toremifen post cycle therapy (pct) good? I've ran it for PH cycles but only for two weeks.

Thanks.
 
boti420 said:
PCT will consist of toremifene for four weeks following this dosage protocol 120/90/60/30.
I'm not sure if I've seen anyone use teremifene before, but it is a SERM so it should be effective. If you don't mind my asking, is your teremifene name brand stuff?

boti420 said:
Should i run the toremifene EOD at 20-30mg to prevent gyno? Would nolva be better?
Not all SERMs are super effective against symptoms of gyno. For example, Nolvadex works well for estrogen gyno but Clomid doesn't work anything close to as well. Since we don't know a whole lot about teremifene, I wouldn't count on it for that purpose.

You are unlikely to need it for this purpose, anyway, so don't just take it unless you actually notice symptoms.

boti420 said:
I recommend skipping the superdrol. You just don't need it.

All of this assumes that your stats indicate that you are ready for your first cycle. What are they, anyway? Age, weight, height, etc.
 
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