I'm making this thread to give back what I can to the forum that's provided me with a lot of information in the past. A little background on my previous PH use is a very successful Helladrol cycle. I experienced almost no sides and felt great (meaning: on) for the entire 6 weeks. I put on a solid 15 lbs and kept 10 of it after PCT.
So I decided to do a popular Methyl Sten cycle many of you have seen: Transaderm, Methyl Sten, and Dienolone (transdermal). I was using Forma at 10 pumps/day as an AI and was using all the normal cycle support (N2G, Hawthorne berry, Fish Oil, Joint Support, etc.)
About 2 weeks into this I was seeing gains. The Dienolone was giving me a serious pump in the gym. But I was starting to feel really bad. I was feeling shutdown and my joint were in serious pain. I upped the Joint Support and Fish Oil to almost ridiculous levels and was getting no relief. I tried some oral DHEA but that wasn't helping. Now admittedly I was in a place where I couldn't get labs done to figure out the problem so I had to do trial and error. Since I had some Letro on hand I was wondering if it was low estrogen that was making me feel this way since Methyl Sten doesn't aromatize (or not all that much). So I stopped the Forma altogether. If I started feeling gyno symptoms my plan was to start the Forma back up and use Letro until those symptoms subsided.
Well... that did the trick! Sort of. My joint pain went almost entirely away. I went from feeling like an 80 year old arthritic man to being able to go to the gym and not worry if 15 lb side laterals would cause my shoulder to pop out. Yes it was getting that bad. The other mod that made all the difference was adding Dermacrine at 5 pumps in the evening in addition to the 5 pumps of Transaderm in the AM. The reason for the Dermacrine is, well it's cheaper to experiment with. Doubling the dose of the the transdermal DHEA did the trick. Now I had no more joint pain and went to feeling "on".
I just wanted to throw that out there for people who have had horrible experiences with Methyl Sten. If I were to cycle it again I would not use an AI but have them on hand just in case. I would also double the dose of Transaderm/Dermacrine. These two modifications have me thinking I'll try this PH again. Whereas before... no way in hell!
Just wanted to put this out there in hopes it might help someone else.
Oh and my result was about the same as my Helladrol cycle plus a lb or two.
So I decided to do a popular Methyl Sten cycle many of you have seen: Transaderm, Methyl Sten, and Dienolone (transdermal). I was using Forma at 10 pumps/day as an AI and was using all the normal cycle support (N2G, Hawthorne berry, Fish Oil, Joint Support, etc.)
About 2 weeks into this I was seeing gains. The Dienolone was giving me a serious pump in the gym. But I was starting to feel really bad. I was feeling shutdown and my joint were in serious pain. I upped the Joint Support and Fish Oil to almost ridiculous levels and was getting no relief. I tried some oral DHEA but that wasn't helping. Now admittedly I was in a place where I couldn't get labs done to figure out the problem so I had to do trial and error. Since I had some Letro on hand I was wondering if it was low estrogen that was making me feel this way since Methyl Sten doesn't aromatize (or not all that much). So I stopped the Forma altogether. If I started feeling gyno symptoms my plan was to start the Forma back up and use Letro until those symptoms subsided.
Well... that did the trick! Sort of. My joint pain went almost entirely away. I went from feeling like an 80 year old arthritic man to being able to go to the gym and not worry if 15 lb side laterals would cause my shoulder to pop out. Yes it was getting that bad. The other mod that made all the difference was adding Dermacrine at 5 pumps in the evening in addition to the 5 pumps of Transaderm in the AM. The reason for the Dermacrine is, well it's cheaper to experiment with. Doubling the dose of the the transdermal DHEA did the trick. Now I had no more joint pain and went to feeling "on".
I just wanted to throw that out there for people who have had horrible experiences with Methyl Sten. If I were to cycle it again I would not use an AI but have them on hand just in case. I would also double the dose of Transaderm/Dermacrine. These two modifications have me thinking I'll try this PH again. Whereas before... no way in hell!
Just wanted to put this out there in hopes it might help someone else.
Oh and my result was about the same as my Helladrol cycle plus a lb or two.
