My second cycle for lean mass using sust/equip/dbol Need suggestions

[flaco123]

5'9
180pds
15%BF
3 years of training

Cycle:
Week 1-8 600mg of Sustanon 300mg 2x week
400mg of equipoise / 200mg 2x week
Week 1-8 0.25 Arimdex EOD
Week 1-4 30mg Dbol

PCT: NOLVA
day 1 300mg
day 2-10 100mg ed
day 11-21 50mg ed

I read HCG is not needed if the cycle is not over 10 weeks and if it doesnt include a 19nor, Asking for suggestions whether my cycle is good to go or should it be changed thanks in advance

 

[luckypaul]

8 weeks is short for running EQ. you will need to delay pct if you run eq throughout. I would run a longer cycle and drop the dbol.

 

[Teutonic]

LP nailed it and if I may, kind sir.

Age ?

2 nd cycle 3 compounds, really ? Lean bulk is like jumbo shrimp military intelligence and so forth. 2 inches shorter 30 pds lighter...
We re only trying to help. It s ur life. I m not bashing you just asking the obvious.
I ll fuck off now...so u don t have to say it. It s OK....I know I m grumpy.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Hcg ahould be used if your running a short cycle or a long cycle.

 

[Onk]

5'9
180pds
15%BF
3 years of training

Cycle:
Week 1-8 600mg of Sustanon 300mg 2x week
400mg of equipoise / 200mg 2x week
Week 1-8 0.25 Arimdex EOD
Week 1-4 30mg Dbol

PCT: NOLVA
day 1 300mg
day 2-10 100mg ed
day 11-21 50mg ed

I read HCG is not needed if the cycle is not over 10 weeks and if it doesnt include a 19nor, Asking for suggestions whether my cycle is good to go or should it be changed thanks in advance

1. eat more
2. 8 weeks of sust with long esters isn't enough
3. 8 weeks of EQ is even worse, min would be 13 or 14 weeks for an undecanoate ester
4. AI should be run until 2 days before PCT
5. PCT is nolva and clomid
6/ nolva at 300mg is massive and unnecessary. It's generally taken 40mg/day for 4 weeks

HCG is not NEEDED but is strongly advised. It has nothing to do with long cycles or the use of a 19nor. If you pin 600mg of sust for one week, you'll be shut down. The 19nor won't increase your shutdown, you'll be shutdown!

I can understand running sust for 10-12 weeks and eq for 14....but your cycle doesn't make sense to me.

If you're going short:

1-8, npp, 500mg/week, pinning ED or EoD
1-8, test p 600mg/week, pinning ED or EoD
1-4, dbol 30mg/day

 

[flaco123]

LP nailed it and if I may, kind sir.

Age ?

2 nd cycle 3 compounds, really ? Lean bulk is like jumbo shrimp military intelligence and so forth. 2 inches shorter 30 pds lighter...
We re only trying to help. It s ur life. I m not bashing you just asking the obvious.
I ll fuck off now...so u don t have to say it. It s OK....I know I m grumpy.

Im 27 years old , thank you for the advice i will be changing my cycle

Hcg ahould be used if your running a short cycle or a long cycle.

1. eat more
2. 8 weeks of sust with long esters isn't enough
3. 8 weeks of EQ is even worse, min would be 13 or 14 weeks for an undecanoate ester
4. AI should be run until 2 days before PCT
5. PCT is nolva and clomid
6/ nolva at 300mg is massive and unnecessary. It's generally taken 40mg/day for 4 weeks

HCG is not NEEDED but is strongly advised. It has nothing to do with long cycles or the use of a 19nor. If you pin 600mg of sust for one week, you'll be shut down. The 19nor won't increase your shutdown, you'll be shutdown!

I can understand running sust for 10-12 weeks and eq for 14....but your cycle doesn't make sense to me.

If you're going short:

1-8, npp, 500mg/week, pinning ED or EoD
1-8, test p 600mg/week, pinning ED or EoD
1-4, dbol 30mg/day

this cycle works, i will do this for my second cycle thanks

 

[flaco123]

1. eat more
2. 8 weeks of sust with long esters isn't enough
3. 8 weeks of EQ is even worse, min would be 13 or 14 weeks for an undecanoate ester
4. AI should be run until 2 days before PCT
5. PCT is nolva and clomid
6/ nolva at 300mg is massive and unnecessary. It's generally taken 40mg/day for 4 weeks

HCG is not NEEDED but is strongly advised. It has nothing to do with long cycles or the use of a 19nor. If you pin 600mg of sust for one week, you'll be shut down. The 19nor won't increase your shutdown, you'll be shutdown!

I can understand running sust for 10-12 weeks and eq for 14....but your cycle doesn't make sense to me.

If you're going short:

1-8, npp, 500mg/week, pinning ED or EoD
1-8, test p 600mg/week, pinning ED or EoD
1-4, dbol 30mg/day

Question about the cycle
Week 1-8 Test P 600mg / week
ill be pinning Tues/Thurs 300mg each of those days
Week 1-8 NPP 500mg / week
ill be pinning Tues/Thurs 250mg each of those days
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg / a day
Exemstane 10mg ed 8 weeks
HCG 250iu twice a week for 8 weeks

PCT
5 days after last injection shot
Clomid 40mg for 4 weeks
Nolva -

How much nolva dosage should i take in your opinion?
On both NPP/Test P would you inject in the same spot? or different injection sites ?

 

[bigben66]

How much nolva dosage should i take in your opinion?
On both NPP/Test P would you inject in the same spot? or different injection sites ?

PCT
Clomid - 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex - 40/40/20/20

You can mix the NPP and the Test P together and inject in one spot injection.

 

[flaco123]

PCT
Clomid - 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex - 40/40/20/20

You can mix the NPP and the Test P together and inject in one spot injection.

thanks ben!

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

You need to pin sust 3x a week or EOD to take advantage of the shorter esters in there, keep your blood levels more stable, prevent estrogen swings etc...

You should consider aromasin instead of a-dex.

I actually am a fan of an 8 week cycle. Your last two weeks on cycle, when you've dropped the sust and are waiting for it to clear your system, use test prop. That'll technically give you a 10 week cycle.

Since it's your second cycle, why not just run sust and dbol? You should get good enough results from just that.

 

[OnlyTheGreat]

Question about the cycle
Week 1-8 Test P 600mg / week
ill be pinning Tues/Thurs 300mg each of those days
Week 1-8 NPP 500mg / week
ill be pinning Tues/Thurs 250mg each of those days
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg / a day
Exemstane 10mg ed 8 weeks
HCG 250iu twice a week for 8 weeks

Check again mate. Test P and NPP are short esters and need to be pinned at least every second day. Besides being only your second cycle, I doubt you'll pin 3ml or more at any one time.

 

[Onk]

Check again mate. Test P and NPP are short esters and need to be pinned at least every second day. Besides being only your second cycle, I doubt you'll pin 3ml or more at any one time.

as much as you're correct about his mis-use of prop and phenyl prop esters....he can simply pin 3ml in one spot then another 2.5ml in another! Not too hard really.

 

[flaco123]

You need to pin sust 3x a week or EOD to take advantage of the shorter esters in there, keep your blood levels more stable, prevent estrogen swings etc...

You should consider aromasin instead of a-dex.

I actually am a fan of an 8 week cycle. Your last two weeks on cycle, when you've dropped the sust and are waiting for it to clear your system, use test prop. That'll technically give you a 10 week cycle.

Since it's your second cycle, why not just run sust and dbol? You should get good enough results from just that.

i will be pinning 3x a week, 2 cc of test p and 1 cc of npp

Check again mate. Test P and NPP are short esters and need to be pinned at least every second day. Besides being only your second cycle, I doubt you'll pin 3ml or more at any one time.

I was wondering the same thing, can i pin 2ccs of test p mixed with 1 cc of npp in any injection site? ill be pinnin in quads/shoulders

as much as you're correct about his mis-use of prop and phenyl prop esters....he can simply pin 3ml in one spot then another 2.5ml in another! Not too hard really.

ill be pinning 3ml in one spot , would it be ok?

 

[Onk]

i will be pinning 3x a week, 2 cc of test p and 1 cc of npp



I was wondering the same thing, can i pin 2ccs of test p mixed with 1 cc of npp in any injection site? ill be pinnin in quads/shoulders



ill be pinning 3ml in one spot , would it be ok?

I can pin 3mL into certain spots, such as my glutes, quads and delts. I can do mL and MAYBE 3 in my pecs and lats...but never tried. That's all knowing your body. Last cycle when I was running test e 750, eq 1.2g and mast 800, that was 11mL a week I split 5.5mL 2x.

Hence I did 3mL into my sites that can take it and 2.5mL into the smaller ones