My Virgin Post -- go easy on me!

[Rayder]

Hey fellas, thanks for reading this! I am a pretty quiet guy... not the type who will go up to the big dudes in the gym to start a conversation about steroids. So you guys are my best hope for some useful information.

I'm afraid this post will be somewhat long. I'll do my best to condense it.

Stats: 33 y/o, 6'0", 215. 18% BF. Been working out since high school. Pretty good genetics, but never really got CRAZY big like I want to.

Did a cycle of some oral crap in my early 20's. A few years ago, I did a cycle of straight Deca (I KNOW... I KNOW)

Had NO clue what I was doing. No Test with it... no post cycle therapy (pct)... NOTHING! I asked a buddy for juice; he got me a vile of Deca and I stuck in it my ass for 10 weeks. Got pretty big, met the girl of my dreams and couldn't fuck her for three months because my dick was limp. It took me more than a year (!!!) to get back to normal, which my blood tests finally confirmed. Anyway, I will never again put anything into my body without researching it first. What a terrible experience. That's why I'm here.

I've been hitting it hard in the gym for the past couple of years, and I'm ready to do an anabolic cycle.... the right way. I ran Havoc in January and February. It went pretty well. Got some modest gains and hardened up a bit. I have literally been reading posts on bodybuilding forums like this one for 6-8 hours a day for the past month in preparation. The knowledge some of you bros possess is absolutely mind-blowing. Major props.

Okay, here goes.

I have Test-Cyp and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ready to roll, and I'm leaning towards stacking that with Tren-E. That's the meat and potatoes of the cycle. What I'm totally confused about is which supps to also take while on-cycle. What follows is just a *PARTIAL* list of AI's and supps forum members have suggested for on-cycle usage to guys about to begin cycles similar to mine.

- Arimidex or Aromasin
- Omega 3-6-9
- Hawthorn berries
- Liver Juice
- Liv.52
- Proviron
- Taurine
- Toco-8
- BCAAs
- EAA
- Cycle Assist
- Bromociptine
- Cabergoline
- Pramipexole
- Organ Shield (contains Milk thistle, Saw Palmetto, NAC, ALA, etc.)

As you can imagine, my head is spinning!!! I can easily research what each of those things do, but I don't know which of them are redundant and unnecessary.

My main concerns, like everybody else, are nut shrinkage and hair loss.

So which of the above would you include to the following cycle?

Test Cyp - 500mg/wk. -- 1-10
Tren E - 300-400mg/wk. -- 1-8
HCG - 250-400 IU 2x/wk. -- 2-10

Does that look about right? I read to start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in week two, and I read to run the Test two weeks longer than the Tren.

My main goal is to rock up my core -- chest to abs. Might Winstrol (winny) actually be a better choice for that than Tren, especially if I might have a progesterone sensitivity? (I've never had gyno, but my chest needs some hardening). And if I do indeed go through with the Tren, will Cabergoline effectively address this issue?

For post cycle therapy (pct), I'm thinking of running HCGenerate solo for the two weeks after the last Test shot. Then Torem -or- Nolva for four weeks. Some of the other post cycle therapy (pct) products which were recommended are Sustain Alpha, Diesel Test Hardcore, Glycobol, BCAAs, Beta Alanine, Anabolic Pump, and of course some type of Creatine.

I feel like I have a pretty good working knowledge of the purpose of every chem. I'm just not sure which are NECESSARY and which are overkill.

I know there are a million questions in here. God bless any of you who attempt to help a brother out. It will be much appreciated. I'll tip a 40 to you guys when my rock-hard dick bangs a chick twelve years younger than me this summer!

 

[ohjeez]

do test only, no tren. therefore you'll know what compound you're gettin sides from. and to make it easier run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2 weeks before post cycle therapy (pct) at (correct me if needed) 250iu e3d. then do torem for 4 weeks. and yes you'll need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), aromasin is the choice around here. but only if you get estrogen sides. cover anything else if needed guys.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Arimidex or Aromasin...aromasin at 12.5mg/eod if notice sides of gyno and run till end of pct...
- Omega 3-6-9....good to use
- Hawthorn berries...not needed
- Liver Juice....not needed
- Liv.52....not needed
- Proviron....good but not for you yet
- Taurine....not needed
- Toco-8....good for cholesterol and supposedly hair follicle protection
- BCAAs.....good to use
- EAA.....wtf is this lol
- Cycle Assist....not needed
- Bromociptine....go with prami or caber
- Cabergoline.....good for a dopamine agonist but not for this cycle
- Pramipexole....good for a dopamine agonist but not for this cycly
- Organ Shield (contains Milk thistle, Saw Palmetto, NAC, ALA, etc.)....not needed

your first cycle should be something like this...

test e 500mg/week shoot mon and thurs at 250mg/ea shot
aromasin 12.5mg/eod when notice signs of gyno and run till end of pct
hcg start day after last inject at 500iu/ed and do this for 10 days which should end up stoping 4 days before pct

pct for 4 weeks
toremifene at 60/60/30/30 or clomid at 50/50/50/50

the most important thing above all is your diet...it depicts wether you bulk or cut or not gain anything

 

[DADAWG]

cobras advice has you covered so welcome to OLOGY

 

[tommyroller]

cobras advice has you covered so welcome to OLOGY

hey dadawg i noticed that cobra was offline...when he said post cycle therapy (pct), would Nolva 40/20/20/20/20 do just fine??? ive read Clomid can cause issues and im concious of that.

 

[DADAWG]

hey dadawg i noticed that cobra was offline...when he said post cycle therapy (pct), would Nolva 40/20/20/20/20 do just fine??? ive read Clomid can cause issues and im concious of that.

clomid issues are real similar to gyno issues , they are both greatly exxagerated on the internet. i have no prrof but IMO clomid is more effective and should be used either by itself or with nolva for pct. 50 mg of clomid for 3-4 weeks or 50 mg of clomid and 20-40 mg of nolva for 3-4 weeks for pct.

 

[tommyroller]

clomid issues are real similar to gyno issues , they are both greatly exxagerated on the internet. i have no prrof but IMO clomid is more effective and should be used either by itself or with nolva for pct. 50 mg of clomid for 3-4 weeks or 50 mg of clomid and 20-40 mg of nolva for 3-4 weeks for pct.

well thankyou my friend i'll consider it then.

 

[Rayder]

Cobra, that's awesome bro. Thanks a ton! I'll follow that to the letter.

Thanks to everyone else who took the time to help out.

To the guys who PMd me... I appreciate the help, but I cannot reply because
it says I don't have "sufficient privilges" for that function. If you'd like to try
again, feel free to leave me an email addy this time where you can be reached.

 

[DADAWG]

Cobra, that's awesome bro. Thanks a ton! I'll follow that to the letter.

Thanks to everyone else who took the time to help out.

To the guys who PMd me... I appreciate the help, but I cannot reply because
it says I don't have "sufficient privilges" for that function. If you'd like to try
again, feel free to leave me an email addy this time where you can be reached.

many people wil pm you with good advice but beware of scammers offereing you a trusted source , your a newbie and that makes you a prime canbdidate for the scammers.

 

[BigBlackguy]

I'd say just use the test without the tren. You don't really know how you'll react to either compounds and if the sides get bad, you'll want to know what is causing what.

Also, aromasin for Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and toremifene as the SERM of choice. Toco-8 is good for cholesterol levels and for scalp/hair health. Definitely take omega 3s.

 

[Rayder]

Thanks again guys! So, ummm, while we're here...

anyone wanna take a stab at telling me WTF is wrong with my elbow?

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It just blew up on me a couple weeks back. Very red and puffy as you can see. I Googled this a bit and my best guess is that it is Bursitis. It doesn't hurt in the least and it's not affecting my workouts at all... it's just disgusting to look at. I have a lady friend who draws blood for a living. I asked her to put a needle in there last week to drain it a bit. She got 3 CCs of clear fluid out of it! Not blood, and not a "cloudy" fluid which would indicate an infection. The elbow immediately shrunk to almost-normal size, but then it blew up again the next day. Yesterday, she tried to drain it again. It looked just the same as it did when she drained it the first time (like in the picture). Only this time, we didn't extract a drop of fluid, and she tried four different spots on the elbow. I'm stumped.

I have avoided seeing a doctor because I don't have health insurance. You go see them for ten minutes and they whack you for a couple hundred bucks. I suspect I am ultimately going to have to see a doc though. I likely need antibiotics. For now, I've been icing it, taking four Aleve's every day and today I bought Topricin, which is a topical anti-inflammatory cream.

Any thoughts?

 

[ohjeez]

^^^^^ Ibprofin also helps with anti inflamatory. other than that id say doc is the way to go.