Need help with my blood work results.

[Nerotik]

Ok first off sorry if this is the wrong spot to post this but I have some questions about my lab work that was done last month. My doc never came out and said anything during my lest visit but I'm not sure if she had the results yet or just forgot to bring it up. Anyway, I have little to no idea how to read these things but one thing that caught my eye was my liver numbers. Feel free to ask about other components in this report if you think I should know about something else as it is also vitally important to my health I would really appreciate it. So here is what listed under my Hepatic function;
Result Normal Range
Albumin 4.2 3.6 - 5.1
Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.0 1.0-2.5
Alkaline Phosphate 96 40-115
ALT 121 ?!?! how bad is that? 9-46
AST 113 Same question 10-40
Bilirubin direct 0.1 < OR = 0.2
indirect 0.2 0.2-1.2
total 0.3 0.2-1.2
Globulin 2.1 1.9 - 3.7
Protein 6.3 6.1-8.1
Anyway that's everything listed under the Hepatic function but it looks like she order a full panel so there are lost of other numbers here if anyone who understand this stuff can give me a hand with it and let me know if my liver is shot and I'm dying or what lol. On the bright side my creatinine levels dropped back to within acceptable ranges over the past couple months. Just need to know about heart and liver etc. Thanks again in advance of your help.

 

[Mprtz]

In my (layman) opinion ALT and AST are too high to ignore. Medications? Alcohol? Orals?
I'd get some NAC (N-Acetyl Cystein) supplements and start taking them while you work on finding the cause.

 

[Nerotik]

Yeah several meds including statins which are liver killers but I cut them out during an oral cycle like Dbol, Adex and Proviron, don't drink or do drugs other than herbal relief. I am on TRT for the rest of my life at the time of the test I had only been taking my prescription meds including the lovastatin, adex EoD and about 100mg of test C a week, also 15mg of Oxy every four hours for my fucked up joints, Klonopin and Seroquel to fight the depression of having the body of a 60 year old at 34 through no fault of my own. Also Saw palmetto, ginseng, NAC 600mg in the morning, fish oil, and a multi vitamin and when out of my pain meds I hit the NSAIDs pretty hard which I need to stop doing or I will blow out my liver. So are those numbers high enough that I need to start liver shopping, or I stop taking everything and just keep away forever? Whats my best move here while still being able to lift and gain?

 

[Megatron28]

NSAID's are processed by the kidneys. You are think of acetometophene that is processed by the liver. Stay off that.

What are your liver values normally? Hopefully you just did something to anger it temporarily.

Definitely keep an eye on it and consult with your doc. In the meantime, up your NAC dose as was suggested.

 

[Nerotik]

I'm not sure what my normal values are I will have to call and ask tomorrow. If this is a big jump from normal what is my best method to get it back down in addition to NAC which I guess I will up to 1200mg if you think thats a safe dose? My NAC is in capsules so i can't split them in half. So 1200mg of NAC ED anything else I should add? Milk thistle?

 

[halfwit]

I'm not sure what my normal values are I will have to call and ask tomorrow. If this is a big jump from normal what is my best method to get it back down in addition to NAC which I guess I will up to 1200mg if you think thats a safe dose? My NAC is in capsules so i can't split them in half. So 1200mg of NAC ED anything else I should add? Milk thistle?

NAC at 1200 would be a good start. Also increase that water intake. I've taken upwards of 2400mg ED without any issue, and as the LD50 (50% lethal dose) is 8 GRAMS per kg of body weight, I'm sure you'll be fine. You can also try LiverCare by Himalaya if the NAC by itself isn't doing the job. Ideally you want your AST/ALT to be in the 20's...

My .02c

 

[ToubaboKoomi]

I'm not sure what my normal values are I will have to call and ask tomorrow. If this is a big jump from normal what is my best method to get it back down in addition to NAC which I guess I will up to 1200mg if you think thats a safe dose? My NAC is in capsules so i can't split them in half. So 1200mg of NAC ED anything else I should add? Milk thistle?

My liver values were around the same and I took 2400mg of NAC all at once daily. My alt and ast were down to normal in 2 weeks. my .01 c

 

[Nerotik]

Ok that's great info ladies and gents. Thanks to all of you for the assist I feel a lot more comfortable with the numbers now knowing I can get them down fairly easily. So it's gonna be 2400mg of NAC from now on and if I test high again I will add LiverCare as well.

 

[Nerotik]

I meant to say 1200mg of NAC not 2400mg. I might add the LiverCare by Himalaya just to be safe and not wait for my next test.

 

[riprockwell]

Here's my take on this and others might disagree.

1. Don't freak out man. There could be plenty of reasons for elevated liver values. Mine were around 99-102 but it still freaked me out. A heavy workout before blood draw can elevate levels, drinking, other meds, etc.

2. With that being said we need to figure out what it is. In the meantime, I would hop on LiverCare by Himalaya. I know a lot of guys run NAC but what brought my liver values down to the high 20's in 6 weeks was 1 LiverCare capsule per day. You could run 600mg of NAC per day and 1 LiverCare. Milk Thistle is weak and garbage so save your money.

3. My liver hates Arimidex hence why I switched to Aromasin. My liver values kept elevating and I read up the side effects of all my meds which was just T3, Testosterone, HCG, and Adex at the time. Adex pamphlet says that elevated liver enzymes and swelling of the liver can be a side effect. I switched over to Aromasin and was fine. Again I know tons on adex and are fine but my body didn't like it.

4. Like was mentioned, drink a ton of water. Also stop popping supplements other than the liver ones at this time. Give your liver a break. A lot of guys pop a shit load of multi vitamins per day and I wanted my liver to rest for a bit. Others may disagree with this but again this is strictly my opinion and experience.

5. Eat a good balanced diet. Look up foods that are good for a liver detox as that's what you are basically doing. Stay away from junk food.

6. Make sure to get some good quality rest every night as that's really important as well.

7. A lot of the population has a fatty liver from all the junk food they have ate over the years. A lot of people are in the higher ranges. Doesn't make it right or healthy but I've noticed that trend.

8. Do the above for a good 4-6 weeks. Then retest and see what your values are at. I can almost promise you that they will be much better. Again, I recommend LiverCare and NAC both.

Try not to stress it. I did a lot of stressing cuz some fucks told me I had Hep C and dumb shit and freaked me out. So don't fuck hookers with no condom. Let's cross that bridge if we have to. In the meantime lets fix and change the things we can. Good luck.

 

[Nerotik]

Thanks a lot RipRockwell, I am gonna follow your advice as close to a T as I can. I know I need to increase my water intake and decrease junk food. Also have bad insomnia but not much I can do about that already take Ambien etc. I also take Adex and guess I am gonna switch over to Asin, but should I take Proviron with Asin or just the Asin when on cycle cuz I plan to add a 12 week run of Tren E to this cycle of Test, Deca, Dbol first 4 weeks proviron for the full cycle and Aromasin if the Proviron isn't enough. I will also being taking 1200mg of NAC a day plus LiverCare and really putting my down with my lady about cleaning up our diets. I have low T so I do the blast and cruise mkethod but I want to be fairly bulked up and shredded by spring/early summer and the above cycle will get me there I think.

 

[Nerotik]

Ok, so should I go with the Himalaya LiverCare or the Himalaya Liv.52? I have heard some debating over which one is better but don't know of any concrete proof showing which one is the best to take. Any of you have personal experience or know which of these is gonna work best for me? Or I can get both Amazon offers them ina bundle package with a 60-90 day supply