Need opinions on advice I've been given

[maurij1]

Back round: I'm 44 years old been lifting since I was 13, nothing but protein and creatine. Always lifted heavy but it started to become a problem about 2 years ago and had to make a decision between lifting heavy or training fighters (boxing). The toll it was taking on my elbows was to much and I was in pain all the time and could barely hold hand pads. So I lightened up on the weight and decided to focus more on hypertrophy instead which has worked out much better for the elbows! My second problem started about 3 years ago, my sex drive slowed waaay down which isn't like me at all, no morning wood and not the mighty oak that I used to be. So I went to doctor and had my testosterone checked which came back normal....for my age. Total T 496. A friend of mine at the gym suggested I try Test C for a cycle to see how I'd feel and I have to admit I've always been tempted anyways. I'm the type of person though that researches everything before I do it....to the point of over researching! First I went to Tnation which I've always been an avid reader of and I found this site. I read all the stickies to the point of confusing the hell out of myself, so much contradictory information, one says nolvadex for pct one says clomid or both. Some say take hcg while others say you don't need to? Sooo I came up with a cycle of 500mg of Test C a week for 12 weeks and got nolvadex for pct starting 2 weeks after last pin. I had everything in hand before I started figuring if I started to get itchy nips I'd take the nolvadex at 20mg a day till it went away. Didn't have any problems with that in fact I didn't get any side effects accept a little more aggresive but only I and the wife noticed it but I involved her from the start so she knew what to expect. Well I got to the 10 week point and started thinking that I really didn't want to come off, I loved the way I felt and the sex drive was back I was making good gains so I started doing more research about staying on all the time. I asked shadow pro from Tnation what he thought about me staying on all the time and if I should blast and cruise or not and if I should take the hcg if I wasn't worried about kids or my balls? He said that I didn't need to cruise at a lower dose and that I could keep it at 500mg year around and that if I wasn't worried about kids I really didn't need the hcg but I should keep the nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. He recomends 10mg of nolvadex everyday more than the recommended adex? I decided after 20 weeks to go off and go through pct just to see how everything worked. Pct went fine and after a couple months I was back to my normal self. I wanted to go right back on but decided to wait 4 months before going back on again as others have recommended, time off=time on and yes I know I shorted it by a month. Anyways I'm back on again and into my 4th week, I feel great and I'm making decent gains. I'm planning on doing the same cycle but....I'm thinking I should run the adex this time through the whole cycle and I'm undecided about the hcg?? Apologies for the long post and the spelling....never been a strong point!

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[maurij1]

Yep, read it many times as well as all the other stickies.....thanks

 

[tury694]

At your age a full recovery even with proper pct seems unlikely but worth a try. Hell worse case scenario you just get on trt for life. I say go for it and just monitor your bp and make sure you have an AI on hand. HCG will help your chances for recovery also.

 

[tbonexl]

What's an ai on hand going to do? By the time you think you need it, its too late. It's like trying to get an insurance policy after you wrecked your car. Too late!

 

[SJC]

Yeah an AI isn't in case, its for prevention. AI should be used from day one or at worst within the first week of a cycle.

Caber or Prami are in case if you're on a 19 nor that will effect prolactin.

 

[SJC]

500mg a week year round seems off to me. Thats a pretty hefty dose imo. If you arent worried about kids, your ball size, or recovery then HCG can be skipped.

Jeez thats a tuff read with it all being one paragraph lol

 

[weights=life]

Run adex .25mg eod when you start, then get bloods at week 8 to make sure. A full recovery does seem a lot harder but doable. Are you going to do TRY? Run hcg 250ou 2x a week. Make your balls look normal and prevent full shut down to help recovery.

 

[maurij1]

Sorry SJC, writing has never been my strong point which is why I rarely post anywhere! Will order the Adex tonight, I have everything else. Will prob order HCG also as I may want to come off someday. When I asked this question on another forum I was told not to bother with blast and cruise but it seems like a much better idea to run the 500 for 12-14 weeks then cruise on 250 the rest of the time?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Sorry SJC, writing has never been my strong point which is why I rarely post anywhere! Will order the Adex tonight, I have everything else. Will prob order HCG also as I may want to come off someday. When I asked this question on another forum I was told not to bother with blast and cruise but it seems like a much better idea to run the 500 for 12-14 weeks then cruise on 250 the rest of the time?

You need to understand that at your age and with your natty TT levels, there is a good chance you may not recover very well. Meaning you may need to stay on for life (TRT.) Make up your mind if thats something you can accept or not.. because it's a very real possibility. TRT can be amazing if you need it, and it kind of sounds like you would benefit.. but your stuck injecting yourself 1-2x a week for the rest of your life.

Also, whichever retard told you it was fine to stay on 500mg year round... back hand him for me. If you care about your health you absolutely need to give your body a break and cruise (TRT dose) for at least the amount of time you blasted for... Blast time = cruise time.

If you want to do a cycle and attempt a recovery, you absolutely need hCG on cycle then clomid & nolva for pct. Without those three I don't think you'd have much chance...

 

[Roush]

Sorry SJC, writing has never been my strong point which is why I rarely post anywhere! Will order the Adex tonight, I have everything else. Will prob order HCG also as I may want to come off someday. When I asked this question on another forum I was told not to bother with blast and cruise but it seems like a much better idea to run the 500 for 12-14 weeks then cruise on 250 the rest of the time?

Def blast and cruise.. Get on a trt dose that gets your levels where they need to be, don't need anything high, 200 mg a week will do that, then from that point you can blast any cycle you want,, u can increase your test for one cycle, u could just keep your trt dose and blast other compounds, etc.. But don't running high levels of test year round-
Example- I'm on trt 200 mg,, my last cycle I added test prop ( for 5 weeks) then bumped my test c trt dose up to 600 and also added deca at 500 mg ran for 12 weeks, I then went back to my 200 mg trt dose but also added primo to cruise out and keep gains while cutting.. Went back to trt for 8 months, now I'm keeping my trt dose but also running deca now for a 12 week cycle but I'm keeping my test low, 250 mg range.
If your stuck needing trt and run 200 mg or so a week year round it makes for a versatile platform IMO

 

[SJC]

Sorry SJC, writing has never been my strong point which is why I rarely post anywhere! Will order the Adex tonight, I have everything else. Will prob order HCG also as I may want to come off someday. When I asked this question on another forum I was told not to bother with blast and cruise but it seems like a much better idea to run the 500 for 12-14 weeks then cruise on 250 the rest of the time?

Just busting balls my man. Post away.

 

[maurij1]

Thanks PrinceDianabol and everyone else for the replies and the honesty! Like I said, I have read all the stickies on this site multiple times as well as the stickies on other sites and after a while it all sort of blends together! That's the problem with forums, everyone has an opinion and it can be hard to figure out. Example most here say you need nolva and clomid for PCT while a lot of other sites say just Nolva is better.

So my fault for doing all the research and instead of listening to the many.....I listened to the few!!

I will probably end up on TRT as my dad did and he wishes he would've a lot sooner which is ok, pinning doesn't bother me.

Oh and PrinceDianabol it was shadowpro over at Tnation that advised me to just stay on at 500 a week and the guy I buy from said he stayed on year around also which is sad really since he's only 25 and he's been on for about 3 years.