Need PCT help want to get back to normal

[pmhasty]

Heres my story, Im 24 years old decided to try some steriods. A couple weeks in decided it wasnt for me and quit taking them. it caused my body to shut down test production. I went to a doctor and he told me not to take anything that it would come back on its own. Well four months after taking the steriods i still wasnt getting better so I got a blood test and got some clomid and nolva. my results of the blood test were

Total Test 343 ng/dL
Free test 11.2 pg/ml
Estradiol 33.2 pg/mL
LH 2.5 niu/ml
FSH 1.7 niu/mL

So i ordered clomid and nolva and been taking 50 mg of clomid ED and 20 mg of Nolva ED. So far im five days in and im starting to get more energy but im also starting to experience bad anxiety. Ive always had anxiety and im prone to panic attacks so that probably doesnt help. I just want to get back to normal and have no interest in trying steriods anymore. Can someone plesase help me in what i should be taking? Ive been reasearching whether i should take an AI since my estrogen is kind of high. But wasnt sure if thats a good thing to do.

 

[JPGIZZLE]

Heres my story, Im 24 years old decided to try some steriods. A couple weeks in decided it wasnt for me and quit taking them. it caused my body to shut down test production. I went to a doctor and he told me not to take anything that it would come back on its own. Well four months after taking the steriods i still wasnt getting better so I got a blood test and got some clomid and nolva. my results of the blood test were

Total Test 343 ng/dL
Free test 11.2 pg/ml
Estradiol 33.2 pg/mL
LH 2.5 niu/ml
FSH 1.7 niu/mL

So i ordered clomid and nolva and been taking 50 mg of clomid ED and 20 mg of Nolva ED. So far im five days in and im starting to get more energy but im also starting to experience bad anxiety. Ive always had anxiety and im prone to panic attacks so that probably doesnt help. I just want to get back to normal and have no interest in trying steriods anymore. Can someone plesase help me in what i should be taking? Ive been reasearching whether i should take an AI since my estrogen is kind of high. But wasnt sure if thats a good thing to do.

Well what were you takin bud? And no1 can be sure your whole story is accurate, regardless just first of all try to relax I'm the same as you.

try to just relax and give it time, everyone's endocrine system different, I mean it is possible to have caused a permanent shut down. Give it more time and relax if your stressed youll have low T also. By the way the HCG is what stimulates your natty to work again, clomid just blocks estro from aromatizing, nolva does so,mething like block it from being produced. SO all three are a complete PCT and your missing the most important one....If you need pct I never felt I need it doesnt make sense to spend $ if you gonna jump on gear regularly

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Okay, need to know a couple things first..

A) what steroids did you use and how much?

B) did you take any clomid or nolva after your cycle?


The anxiety your experiencing now could possibly be to elevated estrogen. Which is kind of a good thing for now because it means your test levels have also ramped up. But we wont know until you get another blood test. Wait until you've been taking the nolva n clomid for 3-4 weeks then order another test.

It also could just be a side effect of the clomid - and nothing to do with high e2, so its important you dont take anything else other than the clomid and nolva for now. When you get your next set of bloodwork post it up and we can advise you on your best course of action.

Also, your e2 isn't high in that bloodtest. 30pg/mol is pretty much perfect. Healthy ranges for men are 20-50pg/mol.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Well what were you takin bud? And no1 can be sure your whole story is accurate, regardless just first of all try to relax I'm the same as you.

try to just relax and give it time, everyone's endocrine system different, I mean it is possible to have caused a permanent shut down. Give it more time and relax if your stressed youll have low T also. By the way the HCG is what stimulates your natty to work again, clomid just blocks estro from aromatizing, nolva does so,mething like block it from being produced. SO all three are a complete PCT and your missing the most important one....If you need pct I never felt I need it doesnt make sense to spend $ if you gonna jump on gear regularly

HCG should not be used in PCT. Ever. It is suppressive to the pituitary. That recommendation is way outdated info.

Clomid and nolva will bring back natural test levels... They stimulate (rather than suppress, like hcg) the pituitary into producing the natural LH signal. More LH = more test.
You are confusing SERMs (like nolva and clomid) with Aromatase inhibitors.

 

[pmhasty]

I took testosterone cyp. But I only did four injections and it shut me down. I didn't do a pct afterwards and just now started it five days Ago. It's been four months since I did the steroids and I decided to do a pct even though my dr told me not to. I'm doing clomid and nolvadex. 50 mg and 20mg a day

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I took testosterone cyp. But I only did four injections and it shut me down. I didn't do a pct afterwards and just now started it five days Ago. It's been four months since I did the steroids and I decided to do a pct even though my dr told me not to. I'm doing clomid and nolvadex. 50 mg and 20mg a day

Okay. Four injections over two weeks? How much did you inject? Unless it was a ridiculous amount it likely wouldn't have shut you down, just suppressed you somewhat. Either way you have low-ish T atm.

Thats a smart idea. Nolva and clomid will be your best friend right now. Unfortunatlty just gonna have to put up with the anxiety until they've really taken effect, and we know whats going on. Alternatively, you could always order some Toremiphene (torem) and replace the clomid with that. It's effectively the exact same drug, only without the estrogen-like side effects.

I suggest you stay on your clomid and nolva for 6 weeks.

 

[pmhasty]

I wasn't sure if I needed to add some
Aromasin along with my clomid and nolva to keep my estrogen levels lower. Any advice? And should I lower my clomid dose since I am experiencing anxiety?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Maybe eventually, but dont add aromasin just yet. Wait for your next bloodwork. If e2 comes back high then, yes add it in. If not your good to go. The last thing you want now is to crash your e2 levels - you will feel a hundred times worse.

I wouldn't lower your clomid... Preferably I would've had you front load the first week at 100mg daily, but no matter now. 50mg daily is great, dont go any lower. Like I said if you want to change somethin then switch it for Torem and see if that helps. Otherwise keep doing what your doing and wait for your next bloodwork.

 

[JPGIZZLE]

Okay. Four injections over two weeks? How much did you inject? Unless it was a ridiculous amount it likely wouldn't have shut you down, just suppressed you somewhat. Either way you have low-ish T atm.

Thats a smart idea. Nolva and clomid will be your best friend right now. Unfortunatlty just gonna have to put up with the anxiety until they've really taken effect, and we know whats going on. Alternatively, you could always order some Toremiphene (torem) and replace the clomid with that. It's effectively the exact same drug, only without the estrogen-like side effects.

I suggest you stay on your clomid and nolva for 6 weeks.

dude you have no clue what your talking about, best friend ... but put up with anxiety ya ok. Clomid and anxiety every fucking thing seems causes anxiety these day so ya thats a whack ass observation,.

 

[JPGIZZLE]

HCG should not be used in PCT. Ever. It is suppressive to the pituitary. That recommendation is way outdated info.

Clomid and nolva will bring back natural test levels... They stimulate (rather than suppress, like hcg) the pituitary into producing the natural LH signal. More LH = more test.
You are confusing SERMs (like nolva and clomid) with Aromatase inhibitors.

Really it should never? Ok then your a endocrinologist? TRT doctors came up with that protocol .Pmhasty...Please do not disregard/ mislead what I said for what this guy claims, Dont subscribe to anyone opinion, this protocol was tested and worked

 

[JPGIZZLE]

I dont like HCG, never used it, never plan to. But it can help people

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I dont like HCG, never used it, never plan to. But it can help people

I never said it shouldn't be used. It has its purposes and can be very useful, on TRT or a cyclep. Just not in PCT. Explain to me how suppressing the HPTA is going to help you recover it? And this coming from someone who doesn't even know what a SERM is or how it works... Please stop giving out advice. These are peoples quality of life your messing with - if your not positive your giving out correct information then either keep quite or offer an opinion.

 

[Chicago712]

dude you have no clue what your talking about, best friend ... but put up with anxiety ya ok. Clomid and anxiety every fucking thing seems causes anxiety these day so ya thats a whack ass observation,.

woahh woahh woahh who the fuck do you think you are bro, all the suggestions prince gave were on point... maybe i'm taking what your saying the wrong way and if so i appologize in advanced but idc how long you've been a member but with 13 posts, we don't know you and don't need to hear you disrespecting other members..

Really it should never? Ok then your a endocrinologist? TRT doctors came up with that protocol .Pmhasty...Please do not disregard/ mislead what I said for what this guy claims, Dont subscribe to anyone opinion, this protocol was tested and worked

and he's correct, hcg is never to be used during PCT... TRT and PCT do not coincide so what your saying is just meaningless, now if were talking about someone who is diagnosed secondary hypo, then yes hcg and clomid are used.. but very rarely will a doctor even use clomid considering anyone talking to a doctor for TRT is looking for a fix to their symptoms and not really looking for PCT...

but your wrong and your spouting out bullshit information..

I dont like HCG, never used it, never plan to. But it can help people

hcg is primarily used in the fertility aspect of TRT, and usually a first attempt at temporarily raising T levels.... but will not EVER fix low levels unless it is induced the low T is from using exogenous hormones..

 

[PrinceDianabol]

woahh woahh woahh who the fuck do you think you are bro, all the suggestions prince gave were on point... maybe i'm taking what your saying the wrong way and if so i appologize in advanced but idc how long you've been a member but with 13 posts, we don't know you and don't need to hear you disrespecting other members..



and he's correct, hcg is never to be used during PCT... TRT and PCT do not coincide so what your saying is just meaningless, now if were talking about someone who is diagnosed secondary hypo, then yes hcg and clomid are used.. but very rarely will a doctor even use clomid considering anyone talking to a doctor for TRT is looking for a fix to their symptoms and not really looking for PCT...

but your wrong and your spouting out bullshit information..



hcg is primarily used in the fertility aspect of TRT, and usually a first attempt at temporarily raising T levels.... but will not EVER fix low levels unless it is induced the low T is from using exogenous hormones..

Hahah thanks brother... I really couldn't be bothered arguing much with him.. I knew someone would be along soon enough to rip him a new one anyway. Was hoping it would be you haha.

Just bugs me how people will so happily call bullshit and give out incorrect information that is going to affect someone elses quality of life... Especially when it's obvious he hasn't done a scrap of research.

 

[Chicago712]

idc about shit information, but don't be a condescending asshole when your spouting it off lol... like you said you knew someone would correct him and it didn't have to be you...

god i'm waiting for this girl to get the fuck over here so i could get some so i figured i'd post a little bit lol

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Hahah true that. Lmao, take out your frustrations on the idiot posters until your girl gets there.

 

[Chicago712]

bitch is dragging, and it aint even my girl, its this girl i fucked like 4 years ago, who's got a man she been wit, and she just added me on fb yesterday talkin about when we hooked up n i told her to come thru n lets do it again.. since her man works in iowa all week, looks like imma have a new fuck buddy durin the week lol and shes a freak

 

[JPGIZZLE]

I never said it shouldn't be used. It has its purposes and can be very useful, on TRT or a cyclep. Just not in PCT. Explain to me how suppressing the HPTA is going to help you recover it? And this coming from someone who doesn't even know what a SERM is or how it works... Please stop giving out advice. These are peoples quality of life your messing with - if your not positive your giving out correct information then either keep quite or offer an opinion.

How ? Because it does and my balls are better than yours I don't need pct.

 

[JPGIZZLE]

You two clowns are not worth going anymore at this with. Go read anabolics books you morons it's a book by a researcher , what have you to bozos done in the field you think you know what your talking about idk because you copy what you read somewhere else. That is THE #1 source when anyone considering using AAS not a guy who read a guys post who read a guys post

 

[JPGIZZLE]

woahh woahh woahh who the fuck do you think you are bro, all the suggestions prince gave were on point... maybe i'm taking what your saying the wrong way and if so i appologize in advanced but idc how long you've been a member but with 13 posts, we don't know you and don't need to hear you disrespecting other members..



and he's correct, hcg is never to be used during PCT... TRT and PCT do not coincide so what your saying is just meaningless, now if were talking about someone who is diagnosed secondary hypo, then yes hcg and clomid are used.. but very rarely will a doctor even use clomid considering anyone talking to a doctor for TRT is looking for a fix to their symptoms and not really looking for PCT...

but your wrong and your spouting out bullshit information..


hcg is primarily used in the fertility aspect of TRT, and usually a first attempt at temporarily raising T levels.... but will not EVER fix low levels unless it is induced the low T is from using exogenous hormones..

This info comes from experts why would you be more credited I'm saying known shit your posts are whack! And guess what motherfucker I'm here now and been here since 2010 I'll post when I want!