New AI from N2BM Liquidex AI !!! cycle support and more!!

[mich29]

just in case anyone missed it there is a new ai out from ntbm

Liquidex AI

Liquidex AI
60 Servings per container
Each serving contains:
Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione (also known as 3-deoxy-7-oxo-DHEA)…….30mg
Osthole…………………………….10mg
Ginger………………………………….30mg

Take 1 serving twice(2) per day. D not exceed more than four(5) servings per day.

N2BM Nutrition proudly brings to you a revolutionary new product, Liquidex, the strongest and most complete over the counter aromatase inhibitor on the market today. For those of you that don't know, an aromatase inhibitor prevents a key enzyme (called aromatase) from changing other hormones into estrogen. This lowers estrogen levels in the body that can be elevated in men when using steroids and hormones.
- See more at: Liquidex AI






Liquidex AI
60 Servings per container
Each serving contains:
Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione (also known as 3-deoxy-7-oxo-DHEA)…….30mg
Osthole…………………………….10mg
Ginger………………………………….30mg

Take 1 serving twice(2) per day. D not exceed more than four(5) servings per day.

N2BM Nutrition proudly brings to you a revolutionary new product, Liquidex, the strongest and most complete over the counter aromatase inhibitor on the market today. For those of you that don't know, an aromatase inhibitor prevents a key enzyme (called aromatase) from changing other hormones into estrogen. This lowers estrogen levels in the body that can be elevated in men when using steroids and hormones.


No longer do you have to cross your fingers and HOPE your UG Lab liquids are legit, or that they even arrive on time! – Now you can trust the solid reputation of N2BM Nutrition as we bring you the answer to your Estrogen problems and Gyno questions. Liquidex AI is what you need to keep E levels from rising out of control during cycle. If your cycle already started and you are showing signs of high E, place and order with us today and we can overnight you the product if you like. No questions on if it will arrive, and product purity is always an guarantee with N2BM Nutrition INC.

The main ingredient in Liquidex is Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione (also known as 3-deoxy-7-oxo-DHEA).
Users of thos proven AI, report experiencing all of the benefits from an increase in testosterone and reduction of high levels of estrogen and cortisol. It is a natural compound that is a downstream metabolite of DHEA that exists in the body. Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione elevates the user’s natural myotropic state, leading to more muscle mass, better recovery, decreased fat storage, and increased libido! The first effects users notice is a drying out and hardening effect, showing increases in vascularity and increased definition.

Liquidex is also extremely effective for use during PCT since HPTA suppression should be impossible with it's use since this molecular structure can not be changed into an Estrogen. It also makes it good at reducing the catabolic hormone cortisol, which spikes after coming off cycle. This will help in not only keeping your gains but also providing and enhanced recovery.

Here are some of the key benefits of Androsta...


Estrogen Control
Suicidal Inhibitor
Cortisol Killer
Strong In-Vitro Data


Another key component to Liquidex is osthole. Osthole is a recent discovery that actually has its roots in ancient Chinese medicine. Modern researchers have recently done studies on exactly why Osthole seems so powerful in regard to strength, energy and sexual prowess. And the results were fascinating.

The study shows Osthole to work mostly to enhance both muscle growth and libido in the same way – by increasing nitric oxide -- so much so that it’s on par with ED drugs such as Viagra and Levitra. Osthole has been proven through medical research not only to increase NO2, but there’s an interesting additional side effect. Osthole also increased glucose disposal in muscle tissue. That in turn, increases ATP , which is responsible for contractile strength, making for heavier lifts. Put it all together and it adds up to insanely intense pumps! And it’s the pump that surges blood and nutrients into muscle tissue making it fuller and bigger.

Liquidex AI is what you need right now to get rid of those problems from high E. Get it shipped to your door now, purity and product integrity is guaranteed by N2BM Nutrition INC.


Beyond all of this muscle building potential, researchers found something else they weren’t expecting. In animal studies* the most accurate way to determine androgenic activity is by the weight of the animals testes. (Yeah, pretty gross work but somebody has to do it). In animals fed Osthole, the testes increased significantly in size and had higher levels of seminal fluid and testosterone production. These results led to the conclusion that Osthole is a potent androgen elevator.
(*Evaluation of androgenic activity of Zingiber officinale and Pentadiplandra brazzeana in male rats.)

Osthole has other health benefits as well. It’s been shown to lower LDL, reduce inflammation as well as aiding to prevent osteoporosis! Osthole is showing to have some absolutely amazing capabilities and benefits.

We’re convinced Osthole is going to be the next big breakthrough in state of the art bodybuilding supplementation. This is why we go above and beyond in our research and development, to bring to you state of the art products that no other company can offer. Osthole is here and NOW – only at Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding.



Just to top this product off, we decided to throw in ginger root extract, which has a long tradition of being very effective in alleviating symptoms of gastrointestinal distress. In herbal medicine, ginger is regarded as an excellent carminative (a substance which promotes the elimination of intestinal gas) and intestinal spasmolytic (a substance which relaxes and soothes the intestinal tract). Modern scientific research has revealed that ginger possesses numerous therapeutic properties including antioxidant effects, an ability to inhibit the formation of inflammatory compounds, and direct anti-inflammatory effects.

As you can see, this is an amazing product that has been carefully formulated to stand out above the rest. This is an extremely exciting new concept brought to you exclusively by N2BM!
- See more at: Liquidex AI

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Can't wait to see some logs pop up on this AI.....glad to see it's finally available for purchase I'm going to have to pick some up to run on my next cycle. Nice to have an alternative to forma.

 

[dylangemelli]

this is an excellent choice to run on cycle and in pct... a very strong ai... adding osthole is a key addition to make it such a versatile product...

 

[DreDay187]

Isn't this a marketing tactic as your product is not arimidex in liquid form, it's something completely different?

So the ginger is good for gastrointestinal problems but does what exactly for inhibiting aromatization?

Osthole, let's go over the facts:

1) the nitric oxide study involving osthole was performed in vitro NOT in vivo and on rats. It was also a single study.
2) the nitric oxide benefits are also dose dependent and the study in question used doses of 5mg/kg. this product has 10mg per serving and you're suggesting 2 servings a day for 20mg total. This would be great for a 4kg gym goer. 100% of the population would need much more than 20mg to see these benefits.
3) most of the literature behind osthole was performed either in vivo on rats or in vitro on rats and/or human cells, not human beings.
4) the glucose/AMPK/acetyl-CoA carboxylase benefits also were dose dependent with a 6-8mg/kg dosage I believe. Again this product falls short of the necessary minimum requirements of osthole to be significantly effective for this benefit.
5) the mechanism of action in which osthole affects AMPK and glucose uptake is through aiding fatty liver. There are much more effective treatment options to reduce fatty liver such as losing weight, eating a balanced diet, and certain anti oxidants such as vitamin e and selenium.
6) osthole MAY prove to be an effective compound at some point but it is irresponsible to make that claim now since all these studies your information came from were not done on live humans.
7) further more the osthole is more bioavailable than the parent coumarin, but still has significantly low bioavailability necessitating even higher doses for efficacy possibly.

Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione:
1) there have been no long term/chronic studies in safety or efficacy of this compound. There are no clinical trials nor peer-reviewed studies indicating this compound would be safe for long-term use. There also aren't any studies showing it is harmful either but considering a similar compound is now banned in the US and Canada for causing blood clots and polycythemia from chronic use I'd be weary until more studies have been done.
2) cortisol is a necessary and vital hormone. Just bc it is released does not mean we need to inhibit it. Cortisol is a hormone that gets released after training and is a good indication of training. Effectiveness. Cortisol also being secreted doesn't mean one is in a catabolic state. The net anabolism can still be positive easily. There's no reason to inhibit cortisol production unless levels are supraphysiological or chronically elevated.
3) this compound gets compared to aromasin for its suicidal properties in Inhibiting aromatase production but it's is only slightly more potent while being significantly less bioavailable requiring 50-100mg doses to be anywhere near effective at reducing estrogen. According to your recommendations the typical user will be taking in 60mg of Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione meaning once again they'll need more of this more than likely.
4) aromasin is the weakest of the normal AI's. Adex and letro being much more potent have the advantage and this compound does not compare to either. Considering all 3 usual AI's are easily sourced and have clinical trials as well as peer-reviewed studies as well as FDA approval for safety and efficacy would make it seem there are better choices than Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-Dione for aromatase inhibition.
5) the original post even says and I quote:

strong in vitro data

In vitro data means test tubes and cultured cells. It does not mean a living breathing organism which could react 100% completely opposite. In vitro data leads to promising in vivo data but we're not there yet here.
6) saying liquidex is the strongest AI out on the market is past deceptive marketing tactics...it's outright false advertisement. Adex, letro, and even aromasin re all stronger and the data proves it.
7) your claim in the OP:

Users of thos proven AI, report experiencing all of the benefits from an increase in testosterone and reduction of high levels of estrogen and cortisol.

Yes the benefits of an increase in testosterone reported has been the increased libido which everyone knows isn't an indicator of elevated test levels. All AI's elevate serum test levels to some degree through negative feedback inhibition but these benefits are not clinically significant and will not make an impactful change on anything let alone body composition.

 

[mich29]

thanks for the reading the post.with all that said are you going to be giving this a try?

 

[DreDay187]

thanks for the reading the post.with all that said are you going to be giving this a try?

You're welcome brother. Honestly I'd be hesitant to give this particular product a try. As I mentioned, with how easy it is to source anastrozole or exemestane and how effective they are, with all the AFTAC clinical trials under their belts proving their well tolerated compounds, the lack of supporting evidence for osthole and Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione, etc anastrozole/arimidex would be my first choice.

 

[Jbranken]

You're welcome brother. Honestly I'd be hesitant to give this particular product a try. As I mentioned, with how easy it is to source anastrozole or exemestane and how effective they are, with all the AFTAC clinical trials under their belts proving their well tolerated compounds, the lack of supporting evidence for osthole and Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione, etc anastrozole/arimidex would be my first choice.

I agree, but it's nice to switch to an OTC a.i. during pct or during a longer cycle because of health factors and your a.i. becoming less effective over periods of extended use

 

[DreDay187]

I agree, but it's nice to switch to an OTC a.i. during pct or during a longer cycle because of health factors and your a.i. becoming less effective over periods of extended use

What health factors specifically are you referring to? You are aware that health factors associated with Ai's are due to the decrease in circulating estrogen, not the compound itself right? So any product that lowers estradiol will have similar health effects this product included.

AI's become less effective during extended periods of use? You have any references to that fact? You should tell all the TRT patients who've used adex for many many years continuously that their blood tests are inaccurate and they need to switch.

If you're looking for an OTC alternative to an AI DIM, copper, and zinc would suffice and might I add: be much cheaper on the wallet.

 

[Jbranken]

What health factors specifically are you referring to? You are aware that health factors associated with Ai's are due to the decrease in circulating estrogen, not the compound itself right? So any product that lowers estradiol will have similar health effects this product included.

AI's become less effective during extended periods of use? You have any references to that fact? You should tell all the TRT patients who've used adex for many many years continuously that their blood tests are inaccurate and they need to switch.

If you're looking for an OTC alternative to an AI DIM, copper, and zinc would suffice and might I add: be much cheaper on the wallet.

If that were the case, An OTC ai wouldn't bring down estrogen as aggressively as aromasin, adex or especially letrozole, so yes, it is healthier and my point is still relevant. Unfortunately, there are studies suggesting some hepatoxicity from aromasin, letrozole, and arimidex. Although liver value elevations are slight, it should still be of concern to those who are already straining their liver with injectable and oral steroids

As far as losing effectiveness, this is from my personal experience and I always change my a.i. in pct

 

[DreDay187]

If that were the case, An OTC ai wouldn't bring down estrogen as aggressively as aromasin, adex or especially letrozole, so yes, it is healthier and my point is still relevant. Unfortunately, there are studies suggesting some hepatoxicity from aromasin, letrozole, and arimidex. Although liver value elevations are slight, it should still be of concern to those who are already straining their liver with injectable and oral steroids

So since OTC AI's don't bring down estrogen as aggressively, these products would really be USELESS while on cycle bc of the aromatization due to the amounts of gear being injected in a typical cycle. On a TRT regimen sure they might be enough but dim, copper, and zinc have been far more reliable with more science back them up...plus cheaper.

As far as hepatoxicity, you do realize this evidence is predominantly on women? Women who take much higher doses for much longer time periods than we do? Do you not think Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-Dione is hepatoxic as well? Look it up, it elevated liver enzymes just like Typical AI's do. So I fail to see why you'd be worried about your liver with something like adex but not with this product bc OT WILL elevate liver enzymes just as much.

Hepatotoxicity
Serum enzymes are reported to be elevated in 2% to 4% of women treated with anastrozole, but these elevations are usually mild, asymptomatic and self-limited, rarely requiring dose modification. There have been very rare instances of clinically apparent liver injury associated with long term anastrozole therapy, typically arising within the first six months of treatment and having variable presentations but typically with a hepatocellular or mixed serum enzyme pattern (Case 1). Too few instances have been described in the literature to provide specific characteristics or clinical phenotype. Immunoallergic features (fever, rash, eosinophilia) were not present in published cases, but autoantibodies were described in one. There have been no cases of acute liver failure, chronic hepatitis or vanishing bile duct syndrome attributed to anastrozole use. Unlike tamoxifen, anastrozole has not been associated with development of fatty liver disease, steatohepatitis or cirrhosis. According to the product label, anastrozole has been linked to cases of hypersensitivity reactions and Stevens Johnson syndrome.

Outcome and Management
Liver injury attributed to anastrozole is usually mild and self-limited, typically a transient, asymptomatic elevation in serum enzymes. Cases of acute liver failure have not been reported in women on anastrozole. There is little evidence for cross sensitivity to liver injury between anastrozole and tamoxifen or even among the various aromatase inhibitors (which have distinctly different chemical structures).

As far as losing effectiveness, this is from my personal experience and I always change my a.i. in pct

In your personal experience n=1. Do you even have blood work showing a loss of efficacy? In the thousands possibly millions of TRT patients who use AI's is there any evidence of them losing their effectiveness? I've yet to see it. And if adex stops being effective would you seriously try to claim that this product could ever replace it?

If you're using an AI in or during pct you're doing it wrong.

So I ask again, where is the benefit of this product? Where is the effectiveness of this product? Where are case studies regarding it's efficacy and safety? Where are IN VIVO studies? You claim the normal AI's are hepatoxic and try to imply this one isn't?

 

[Jbranken]

"If you're using an AI in or during pct you're doing it wrong."

Oh I'm sorry, we must all react the exact same to everything. A.i.'s effect you, me, and everyone else the EXACT same way. Therefore everything you read on the Internet MUST be true. Last time I checked it was an effective method of preventing estrogen rebound. But you know everything, so I'm wrong

Since you're on your pedestal and talking down to me (yes, you're a condescending know-it-all) I'll let you continue your internet flame war with yourself. If you have that much beef with an OTC a.i., don't buy it.

 

[DreDay187]

"If you're using an AI in or during pct you're doing it wrong."

Oh I'm sorry, we must all react the exact same to everything. A.i.'s effect you, me, and everyone else the EXACT same way. Therefore everything you read on the Internet MUST be true. Last time I checked it was an effective method of preventing estrogen rebound. But you know everything, so I'm wrong

Since you're on your pedestal and talking down to me (yes, you're a condescending know-it-all) I'll let you continue your internet flame war with yourself. If you have that much beef with an OTC a.i., don't buy it.

I never said we all react the same. We definitely don't. Show me blood work showing an estrogen rebound on a cycle and I'll show you someone not using an AI properly. You're wrong for reasons I pointed out not bc it's on the internet.

I will not buy an OTC AI and I'm attempting to educate others as to why it's an inferior choice, excuse me for trying to help my fellow juice heads. If my time runs you the wrong way, ignore me like you told me not to buy the product.

I also notice how you failed to rebut any of my points. I'll sit here alone by myself since you're leaving me . If I came off condescending to you I apologize. My mistake.