new guy bit bowt me!! n my question??

[To Tall]

hello every one im new to this forum been lurking around as a non member for a while.. been a member on other forums for bit!!! i have done a small cycles before oral only and didnt like the effects dbol mainly!!

im 6ft 6inches tall and currently 14stone ish
i used to alot of uneducated training at the ages of 19-20 you know jus pounding all body parts kinda thing lol but i stopped due to work etc..........................

i have been forum hunting for some time and am basically trying to find AAS that are the friendly to my hair as im 25 and its balding......... a fucker i know. before you say if its going let it go or AAS will hammer it i know and i agree.....

but my next cycle is going to be an injectable im going to be takeing finest/dut and am at least going to try and use the AAS that are said to be hair friendly instead of just hitting the tren and loseing the lot hahahah

so if any of the more knowledgble members could once and for aall stop me pulling my hair out at all the contradicting info on the gear said to be MPB safe that would be great!!!!!!

so far i have,

BOLd eq
primo
tbol
var
test with finest/dut
decca / npp

if i am incorrect with these choices of gear for a hair safeish cycle then please let me know...........................

also if you dont really know and heared from a friend of friend then dont post!! if you have had personal experience an also suffer MPB then i would love to hear about it........ cheers every body and thanks for reading and sorry about my spelling!!

 

[To Tall]

bump any 1 out there??

 

[dialtone]

finasteride will help with test, eq, deca, npp, which are all very easy on hair. the tbol, Anavar (var) and primo will be a bit harsher on the hair, this is from personal experience. since its your first real cycle, just do 10-12wks test only with fina/dut and you shouldnt have a single problem. start the fina/dut a few months before your test cycle. good luck.

 

[To Tall]

thank you very much for that exactly wot i needed to hear you hit the nail on the head with that reply and answered all my questions........... nice 1 cheers!!!!!

after doing alot of research of my own the train of thought seems to be that.....

DECA ,npp are the safest on the hair line but are best used with test as a base....... but there seems to be some confusion as to whether it is safe to use a dht blocker such as dut or finest with nandrolone?? older posts pre 2005 seem to suggest that finest and decca react to increses shedding of hair whilst posts and studys 2007 onwards say that there are no adverse effects..........??

EQ, Then after deca eq seems to be the AAS that is most often recomended to people suffering from MPB....... as it seems to be the least harsh on the hair line after decca.......... is this a dosage dependent observation or general rule?? as some suggest that doses over 600mg and sometimes around 600mg per week magnify hair thining?? also no one can say once and for all whether dut/finest down regulates the conversion to DHT with bold/EQ.............??

Tbol is touted to be the safest oral steroid available and after alot of reaserach and reading and studying of logs personal experiance of people with MPB. my conclusion was that.... dosage does play a key role as most logs etc woth doses under 50mg pd showed no advers effects on hair line while higher doses for longer periods did infact show hgair shedding in varying degrees per individual....... so tbol is safest used at 50mg per day where sides concerning MPB are concerned or less even??

obviuosly king test is best which is great news as at lower doses per week with longer estered gear to stabilise release and when used in conjuction with a good hair care regeme and dht blocker such as finest or dut then MPB and hair thining is kept to a min....... which is great news as i have a shit load of test and cant wait... my question is at what dosage do the sides concerned with MPB and thining start to out weigh the effetcs ie muscle growth...
300mg per week 400mg per week?? or less??? i know these are tiny amounts to the average shaved head or genetically hairy BB... but for those vain eough to value hair these are valuable questions???

inregards to Anavar (var) and primo then as far as im concerened the risks to MPB are to high and not enough people have done logs to conclude the availbale eveidence and make a accurate evaluation....etc.. what i have found whilst resaerching and reading what logs are available is that theses aas seem to have a varying degree of hair thining and effect on MPB on every different individual for example Anavar (var) is said to be the safest in regards to sides mpb ets but from my reserach that includes logs by people who suffer from mpb Anavar (var) has had a greater effect on thining than tbol on some and no effect on all so its debateable still? same with the primo?? to risky for those wanting to keep there hair line in my opinion.. although i would say that it is deff dosage related i would pressume small amouts of Anavar (var) would be ok but then adequate gains would not be seen so a waste of time....

thanks for taking the time to read this and i hope it has helped any one worried about this subject.....

also if you are knowlegdeable and can answer the questions and grey areas mentioned above ie,decca finest use,tbol effects dosages, eq effective with dut/finest you know jus read above!! that would be fantastic..........!!!

also is it only heavily androgenic compounds that effect MPB as i know just because its deriived from DHT does not mean that it will revert back to DHT and effect hair loss??

thanks alot

 

[To Tall]

i will be posting my intended, MP hair sheddind safish cycle up later includ pct!! after gaining some more info on the above questions!! so you guys can scrutinise it later for me... cheers for your help every one.

 

[dialtone]

it is the androgenic nature of compounds which effects mpb. i also agree with the fact that some drugs, although not highly androgenic, but derived from dht can be very harsh on hair. of course the sides of any drugs increase or become more apparent as the dose increases. with test and fina/dut, 500mgs ew, wont have any problems. also, alot of guys are not prone to mpb whatsoever, they could run enormous amounts of any drug without losing a single hair, note this while reading peoples' experiences.

i really think that you are fine with deca, test and eq. the orals always tend to make me lose hair, even tbol at 50 mgs ed. i only use dht derivative oral compounds for 4 wks when im at my leanest. at that length, you will lose hair, but its for such a short period you wont really notice it. and once you come off, the hair quits coming out and grows back.

run a test only at 500 mgs ew, with fina/dut, to see how you react. then for a second cycle down the road, throw in 400 mgs deca and see how you react to that. mpb varies from individual to individual. just start off safe and test the waters to see how you do. you seem to know what you are doing, i think you'll be fine.

 

[To Tall]

great advice cheers for helping out.... the test cycle sounds great that is exactly what im going to do 12 weeks of test e at around 400mg per wk dnt wanna push the boat to 500 till i see how my feckn mop is gunna react lol........... i have a shit load of eq also and this is prob going to be the only cycle i do untill next year so i wanna jazz it up bit... i know its wise to stick to one compound for the first injectable cycle to make it easier to note results............. so if i did choose to run test/eq what dosage eq have you found to be best in sides over results ratio?? also when looking at steroid profiles what exactly is the best indicator of hair loss highly androgenic/high dht conversion/dht derived?? becasue tren is one of the worst for hair loss yet its profile suggests other wise??
cheers

 

[dialtone]

dont run the eq, its completely unnecessary and you will be wasting your money/time. save it for your second cycle, seriously. if you have never ran test, you will get fantastic results from a test only cycle. if a beer will get you drunk, why drink a 12 pack?

 

[To Tall]

totally agree actually....... i jus checked my vials i have 40ml of test e 250, and 400ml of eq 200!! plus 2500mg of tbol........ the use by dates are not untill 2011 so enough for future cycles there!!!!

Im going to do!!

Cycle!!!!!!!
Tbol, wk, 1-4, 30mg, perday, split 3xday!!
Test E, wk, 1-12, 350mg, perweek, 1xwk!!
Tbol, wk, 12-15, 30mg, perday, split 3xday!!
Adex, wk, 1-15, 0.5mg, E/O/D, up to PCT!!
HCG, wk, 10-15, 500iu, 2xwk, up to PCT!!
Fin ,3wk b4 to 3wk after cycle,1.5mg P/D!!
Dut, 3wk b4 to 3wk after cycle, .5mg P/D!!

PCT from wk 15-19.....!!!

Clomid, 100/50/50/50 (dose mg p/day,p/wk)
Nolva, 40/20/20/20
proviron, 50/50/50/50
creatine during pCT!!

Vits + supps....!!

Protein, Multi vit, Extra C/E, Glutamine, creatine(PCT only), Fish oils, Glucosamine, Milk thirstle, BCAAS,Garlic, green teas, niacin!!

Antie Hair loss.....!!

Finsetsreide,Duntesteride,Nizoral shampoo,Saw palemento,Minoxidil,spironolactine,copper peptide, vit b6!!!

Diet.....!!

Clean high calorie diet, 3500 cals, meals every 3 hours, up to 9 meals a day, cut down on salt intake, and drink alot of water to keep hydrated and avoid bloat.

Training....!!

4day split, 1 hour at a time, 30mins cardio every rest day.

chest/tris
back/bis
shoulders/traps
leg/abbs

what dya all think?? low doses i know but taking it easy?? cheers

 

[To Tall]

please feel free to let me know if you think i could do something better...... cheers

 

[dialtone]

looks great, youve got your head on right and have done your research...itll be a great cycle. good luck

 

[To Tall]

Thanks very much for your help!!! I will be sure to keep a log when i start it up....................... i really cant wait now!!!! its going to be spot on..... it will be intresting to see how it afftects the hair i think the log will be valuable to other mpb sensitve members and hope fully serve as a guide of what to do and how to take to still be able to enjoy AAS and hair cheers again reps man!!