New member needing advice on tren!

[Tigeruppercut]

Whats up forum? I've been lurking around this forum for a good 3 years and finally decided to join lol, nearing towards the end of my first ever cycle and have become really confused about preparing for my 2nd.

Ive been doing a lot of reading, and figured i would run straight test E for my next cycle. As for tren im very very tempted to run that beast next, but im not sure whether i should hold off until further down the line? Advice would be highly appreciated on that! However, if i was to run it what im confused about is whether i will be able to bulk on it or is this primarily a cutting compound? Im looking to add lean muscle for my next cycle and not necessarily bulk so if i did decide to run it i was thinking alongside test E to throw in some tren ace just to see how my body reacts to it and to be on the safe side, if all goes well i will run tren E for 8 weeks and some winny. Again would appreciate advice on this.

As for my current cycle it could not have gone better, i had time to train hard 5 days a week and eat around 4000 - 4500 cals a day, anymore than this i noticed would add fat so i restricted it to that. I gained a good 30 pounds so far which i am very satisfied with - (this was just off the tri test, some prop during the first 4 weeks of cycle and i ran dbol from weeks 8-10 to try and prevent a plateau in gains). Didnt run any deca as i did not want the extra water retention and bloat. Overall i added a lot of size and got even leaner so my whole body comp changed dramatically

23 years old
Beginning weight - 177 lbs
Current weight - 205 lbs
Training for 3 years (i know i wasn't at peak genetic potential before anyone mentions that, it was my choice to cycle.)
5 10
body fat at beginning 18%
current body fat 12%

Would appreciate the feedback thanks!

 

[YODATRON]

Wow second cycle on tren why dont you search tren on here and then tell me if you would like to do it for your second time wow some of these newbs need to go read first ask questions later clearly you are inexperienced ps your current cycle is wrong too for a first timer where is your pct ?

 

[tbonexl]

So u been lurking around for 3 years and u still have these questions??? Keep looking around for 3 more years and u should almost be ready...


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[waceyf]

If you really had been lurking here for 3 years you'd know you're not ready for Tren for multiple reasons, 1 being because it's your second cycle and anyone here 3 years knows you need multiple ctcles under your belt first, 2 being you're too young for it, and any other AAS for that matter. These are two of the most common noob mistakes, someone lurking here for 3 years would know that. Square your diet away, read for the next two years minimum and gain as much knowledge possible then after you're 25 you can consider running a cycle again. How long was this first cycle anyways? What's your pct look like? You need to focus on that right now and worry about your nevt cycle down the road. Classic noob mistake. Welcome to ology though.

 

[J.T.0278]

tren is really good farm only if you are 25-26 years old, don't rush.

 

[YODATRON]

tren is really good farm only if you are 25-26 years old, don't rush.

Not only that but for Tren you want at least 5 or 6 good cycles experience before you do it as well.

 

[Tigeruppercut]

Wow second cycle on tren why dont you search tren on here and then tell me if you would like to do it for your second time wow some of these newbs need to go read first ask questions later clearly you are inexperienced ps your current cycle is wrong too for a first timer where is your pct ?

I was merely inquisitive of cycling tren next, i have not committed to it hence my question on here. My first is wrong huh? I'm pretty sure most cycles ive seen include test and deca as a standard first cycle. I didnt want the extra bloat and water retention from deca as i clearly stated, and i wanted to see how my body reacted to a single compound instead of running multiple compounds for a first cycle. Secondly, if my body reacted so well to the test alone why open you're mouth? Im aware im inexperienced with anabolics but i made a pretty damn sure i was eating, resting and training well for my first cycle so dont be so quick to put a newb down

 

[snowpatrol123]

I haven't seen many people recommend running 19-nors for a first cycle

 

[Tigeruppercut]

If you really had been lurking here for 3 years you'd know you're not ready for Tren for multiple reasons, 1 being because it's your second cycle and anyone here 3 years knows you need multiple ctcles under your belt first, 2 being you're too young for it, and any other AAS for that matter. These are two of the most common noob mistakes, someone lurking here for 3 years would know that. Square your diet away, read for the next two years minimum and gain as much knowledge possible then after you're 25 you can consider running a cycle again. How long was this first cycle anyways? What's your pct look like? You need to focus on that right now and worry about your nevt cycle down the road. Classic noob mistake. Welcome to ology though.

Yes this is exactly why i added to my question saying or should i lay off thinking of tren till a few cycles down the line. I think 25 is pretty sensible for tren, as far as me cycling i know exactly what is going into my body, how long it is active for and fully aware of what dosages sides become active in so id like to think im pretty sensible with anabolics so far compared to guys younger than me running it as far as my question what would you're thoughts be as to running it after reaching presumably peak genetic potential?

As far as pct goes i didnt list it because i didn't feel the need to. I will be running HCG at around 2500 iu after my last jab and 2 weeks before i start taking my nolva and chlomid. Nolvadex will be ran for 4 weeks at 40/30/20/20, and i will be running chlomid 150mg on day 1, then 100mg for the next 7 days followed by 50mg for 14 days. I will also be using a herbal test booster ive seen on a lot of logs to get as much natty test as possible and if i feel like i need it some maca.

 

[luckypaul]

Whats up forum? I've been lurking around this forum for a good 3 years and finally decided to join lol, nearing towards the end of my first ever cycle and have become really confused about preparing for my 2nd.

Ive been doing a lot of reading, and figured i would run straight test E for my next cycle. As for tren im very very tempted to run that beast next, but im not sure whether i should hold off until further down the line? Advice would be highly appreciated on that! However, if i was to run it what im confused about is whether i will be able to bulk on it or is this primarily a cutting compound? Im looking to add lean muscle for my next cycle and not necessarily bulk so if i did decide to run it i was thinking alongside test E to throw in some tren ace just to see how my body reacts to it and to be on the safe side, if all goes well i will run tren E for 8 weeks and some winny. Again would appreciate advice on this.

As for my current cycle it could not have gone better, i had time to train hard 5 days a week and eat around 4000 - 4500 cals a day, anymore than this i noticed would add fat so i restricted it to that. I gained a good 30 pounds so far which i am very satisfied with - (this was just off the tri test, some prop during the first 4 weeks of cycle and i ran dbol from weeks 8-10 to try and prevent a plateau in gains). Didnt run any deca as i did not want the extra water retention and bloat. Overall i added a lot of size and got even leaner so my whole body comp changed dramatically

23 years old
Beginning weight - 177 lbs
Current weight - 205 lbs
Training for 3 years (i know i wasn't at peak genetic potential before anyone mentions that, it was my choice to cycle.)
5 10
body fat at beginning 18%
current body fat 12%

Would appreciate the feedback thanks!

First of all congratulations on your first cycle. You did your research and it worked for you.

If you are thinking lean gains tren will help. I don't feel you will need the winstrol though. For your second cycle add one AAS. This way you get a feel for it and how you react to it. I'm biased against winstrol, I have had friend get some serious injuries running it in cycles. Tendon problems mostly, and avulsion fractures that kind of stuff. I have ran it also many times both oral and injectable and have never been impressed.
I know others who swear by it.

I like using tren for cycles in which lean gains are the idea. I have never found it to be as effective as other AAS like dianabol or deca for huge mass gains. I think making lean gains is where tren really shines. I have used doses between 250mg ew and 700mg ew. 250-400 is what I would suggest to start with and since you are looking for lean mass over bulk it will work well for that purpose.

Always run it with test. It will shut you down hard and natural production will crash. Your E2 levels will plummet to undesirable levels and hurt your progress, besides being unhealthy for you.

Do some research on E2 and what level your body needs to stay healthy. Someone posted a fantastic thread on this topic about a week ago on this board. Find it and study it. You shouldn't have to look much since it was so recent.

Good luck man

LP

 

[Tigeruppercut]

Thankyou LP exactly the reply i was looking for, for my next cycle would you possibly recommend any other compound instead of tren i could use alongside the Test E? I had a look into EQ and masteron but i feel i will have to run EQ for longer than i want before seeing any noticeable effects, and masteron would also be a possibility. What are your thoughts? thankyou

 

[Tigeruppercut]

I haven't seen many people recommend running 19-nors for a first cycle

Ive seen many first timers run it complaining of 'deca dick' in every log

 

[luckypaul]

Wow second cycle on tren why dont you search tren on here and then tell me if you would like to do it for your second time wow some of these newbs need to go read first ask questions later clearly you are inexperienced ps your current cycle is wrong too for a first timer where is your pct ?

Yoda maybe I missed something, but didn't he say he ran straight test? Agreed with respect to pct. I was so impressed with the gains he made and the reduction in bf% I overlooked that. Nice observation. Pct is crucial to a successful cycle.

Training schedule and diet are point on though in my opinion.

LP

 

[luckypaul]

Thankyou LP exactly the reply i was looking for, for my next cycle would you possibly recommend any other compound instead of tren i could use alongside the Test E? I had a look into EQ and masteron but i feel i will have to run EQ for longer than i want before seeing any noticeable effects, and masteron would also be a possibility. What are your thoughts? thankyou

Thanks brother,it doesn't always go down like that, but I feel you are on the right track. If you were not I would have no problem telling you so Nice work!

 

[luckypaul]

Ive seen many first timers run it complaining of 'deca dick' in every log

I have also but one thing you should take into account is that even though it is a 19nor AAS, it has a much higher androgenic component than deca. Deca is to the best of my knowledge the weakest androgen in our tool box. Tren isn't, it is one of the most androgenic AAS available to us.

I have seen guys use it at the suggested dosage I listed ,and that is 250-400 mg ew, and have no problems. You are right in that it will affect each of us differently, and that is why I suggest tren acetate. If you are one of the guys who has ED as a side, you don't have to wait long for that problem to subside.

As a rule I suggest that any 19 nor AAS be stacked with test e throughout and test propionate to front load since you will be using a fast release easter like acetate which will kick in much faster than test e as we all know. With deca I suggest 3:1 ratio with test and deca at 1/3 the dosage and tren at no more than 1:1 because it has a much higher androgenic side than deca and imo isn't as likely to cause the problem you are referring to.

Got Dostinex?

LP

 

[waceyf]

Yoda maybe I missed something, but didn't he say he ran straight test? Agreed with respect to pct. I was so impressed with the gains he made and the reduction in bf% I overlooked that. Nice observation. Pct is crucial to a successful cycle.

Training schedule and diet are point on though in my opinion.

LP

Clearly you and the OP are not on the same page as Yoda. He's referring to his second cycle having Tren in it, not that it's his second cycle with Tren.


OP it's not about you knowing what's going into your body. Not using till 25 is bevause your natural levels will yield amazing gains without AAS. Running a second cycle before then is irresponsible and I don't know 1 single veteran that will advise running AAS before 25.

 

[YODATRON]

Clearly you and the OP are not on the same page as Yoda. He's referring to his second cycle having Tren in it, not that it's his second cycle with Tren.


OP it's not about you knowing what's going into your body. Not using till 25 is bevause your natural levels will yield amazing gains without AAS. Running a second cycle before then is irresponsible and I don't know 1 single veteran that will advise running AAS before 25.

I was merely inquisitive of cycling tren next, i have not committed to it hence my question on here. My first is wrong huh? I'm pretty sure most cycles ive seen include test and deca as a standard first cycle. I didnt want the extra bloat and water retention from deca as i clearly stated, and i wanted to see how my body reacted to a single compound instead of running multiple compounds for a first cycle. Secondly, if my body reacted so well to the test alone why open you're mouth? Im aware im inexperienced with anabolics but i made a pretty damn sure i was eating, resting and training well for my first cycle so dont be so quick to put a newb down

Hey sorry if I came off a little harsh lol Just been a slew of people in here that have been jumping the gun
So you decide what you're looking at doing yet?

 

[luckypaul]

Clearly you and the OP are not on the same page as Yoda. He's referring to his second cycle having Tren in it, not that it's his second cycle with Tren.


OP it's not about you knowing what's going into your body. Not using till 25 is bevause your natural levels will yield amazing gains without AAS. Running a second cycle before then is irresponsible and I don't know 1 single veteran that will advise running AAS before 25.

I agree it would be best to wait until 25 before using AAS and 28 may even be a better age. But the genie is out of the bottle. If he was contemplating running his first cycle I would strongly encourage him not to. I trained 6 years natural before my first cycle, and he could have made nice gains naturally. I made great gains at that age clean.

The thing is that there is almost no physiological difference between where he is at now and in a year and a half from now when he is 25,that will make him a better candidate to run tren or even a cycle period. Is 25 an arbitrary age in which it is okay to use steroids? The fact is that he already has and regardless of what you or I may feel is best for him, he has already made the decision for himself.

I understand Yodatrons point and I agree. Our friend feels different. If he has a question about using AAS I think it is best to answer his questions. Or should he be shunned until he turns 28?

 

[waceyf]

I agree it would be best to wait until 25 before using AAS and 28 may even be a better age. But the genie is out of the bottle. If he was contemplating running his first cycle I would strongly encourage him not to. I trained 6 years natural before my first cycle, and he could have made nice gains naturally. I made great gains at that age clean.

The thing is that there is almost no physiological difference between where he is at now and in a year and a half from now when he is 25,that will make him a better candidate to run tren or even a cycle period. Is 25 an arbitrary age in which it is okay to use steroids? The fact is that he already has and regardless of what you or I may feel is best for him, he has already made the decision for himself.

I understand Yodatrons point and I agree. Our friend feels different. If he has a question about using AAS I think it is best to answer his questions. Or should he be shunned until he turns 28?

Shunned? No! Absolutely not. Educated? Taught? Read? Research? Yes! Absolutely. 25 is a good rule of thumb as natty levels are so high in early 20's that it's counterproductive to use AAS. Will he get gains? Of course he will, but why elevate your levels, and risk for that matter, when levels are already higher naturally than some on cycle. I'm sure there is someone with a better education that can provide a better rebuttal to the physiological reasons. Early 20's should be spent tweaking your diet, educating yourself and prepping your body for the more "mature" period of your life, like taking college prep classes in high school in a sense.

 

[waceyf]

I understand Yodatrons point and I agree. Our friend feels different. If he has a question about using AAS I think it is best to answer his questions. Or should he be shunned until he turns 28?

And to be frank I don't care how he "feels" he's inexperienced, immature and doesn't know what's best(not just him but 99% of boys his age). So I disagree with this, "just answer his questions"... I personally refuse to give advice to someone this age other than advising them to wait and I think anyone who does advise someone this age to use has no business advising anyone. I was "advised" to use at 19 and if I saw the guy who told me that today I'd slap his fucking teeth out. He should've taught me how to eat instead.