New to Steroids - Bodybuilding 12 years

Wit328

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Hello and good day!

I have been bodybuilding consistently for 12 years. I am 5'7" and 175lbs with between 5 and 10% bodyfat. I reached my natural peak about 5 years ago and no matter what I do, I cannot gain anymore muscle. Thus, I have decided that I may want to do one cycle. Since I am making this my one and only cycle, I want to get it perfect. I am only looking to gain 10-15 lbs of muscle during this cycle and hope to retain 60% - 75% of gains while on the cycle. The most important thing for me with this cycle is to have as little side effects as possible.

I have done some research but figured I would post here to get some thoughts while I continue my research. At this point I am looking to do a 8-10 week cycle of Sustanon and Deca. However, I really only want to use one steroid the whole cycle (if thats possible)

What are some thoughts on a good cycle based on my goals and concerns with sides? Also, please let me know your thoughts on what best post-cycle equipment to use with the cycle. At this point I only have access to Clomid, Novaldex, thistle and propecia (as you can see I am a little paranoid about this cycle lol) so if you are suggesting a cycle that needs other post-cycle equipment, I will probably not venture in that direction.

My diet is near perfect 6 days out of the week. I take in about 1.5 grams of protein/pound a day, 2,500 calories (20% from fats, 35% from carbs and 45% from protien). I will be pumping my caloric intake to 3,500 - 4,000 calories during this cycle.

At this point I am just trying to get some feedback as I will continue my research over the next few months but felt this would be a good place to start.

Your thoughts are appreciated

Thanks!
 
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Hello and good day!

I have been bodybuilding consistently for 12 years. I am 5'7" and 175lbs with between 5 and 10% bodyfat. I reached my natural peak about 5 years ago and no matter what I do, I cannot gain anymore muscle. Thus, I have decided that I may want to do one cycle. Since I am making this my one and only cycle, I want to get it perfect. I am only looking to gain 10-15 lbs of muscle during this cycle and hope to retain 60% - 75% of gains while on the cycle. The most important thing for me with this cycle is to have as little side effects as possible.

I have done some research but figured I would post here to get some thoughts while I continue my research. At this point I am looking to do a 8-10 week cycle of Sustanon and Deca. However, I really only want to use one steroid the whole cycle (if thats possible)

What are some thoughts on a good cycle based on my goals and concerns with sides? Also, please let me know your thoughts on what best post-cycle equipment to use with the cycle. At this point I only have access to Clomid, Novaldex, thistle and propecia (as you can see I am a little paranoid about this cycle lol) so if you are suggesting a cycle that needs other post-cycle equipment, I will probably not venture in that direction.

My diet is near perfect 6 days out of the week. I take in about 1.5 grams of protein/pound a day, 2,500 calories (20% from fats, 35% from carbs and 45% from protien). I will be pumping my caloric intake to 3,500 - 4,000 calories during this cycle.

At this point I am just trying to get some feedback as I will continue my research over the next few months but felt this would be a good place to start.

Your thoughts are appreciated

Thanks!

well your prroblem is you're only taking in 2500 cals a day. haven't you realized..shit..its been five years of 2500 calories and i havent gained shit?? Up it to 3500 for a few months and i guarantee you gain some weight without juice. it'll be cheaper..safer...no side effects.
 
Over the last 5 years I have varied my caloric intake. I was up to 4,000 calories a day at one point and you are right, I did gain some new muscle but I got pretty fat at the same time....and when I wanted to get cut up again (because I like being cut better then being bulky), I would end up losing all the muscle I gained.
 
thats why alot of guys run a bulk cycle then a cut cycle, Its a fine line trying to gain weight and keep cut bro. I still havn't figured it out! But for your first cycle I would recommend test only 500mgs a wk/ 10-12 wks
Oh and I have heard that before, only one cycle, lol once you get the taste, it's like crack bro!
 
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Yeah, when your doing things all naturally it is very very hard to gain size and stay somewhat cut. Back in the day I actually did an all natural cycle that was suppose to be somewhat anabolic. It was in a book written by the founder of EAS (Bill Phillips). You eat like 6000 calories a day for 4-6 weeks (dont remember) then you go two weeks at like a 1000 calories a day. I did this for a year straight and that one period of time where I made the most gains. It took sometime to get rid of the fat that was gained during that cycle though. Anyway, so you think straight test is the best route to go for my one and only cycle? lol!

What would be the best post-cycle stuff to combat sides? Also, should I pyramid the mgs?
 
Once you cross over you wont go back....there is no going back.....

Lol...Anyway...yeah Test only is best for a first cycle. Once you see how you react to test. Maybe the 2nd stack deca.
 
I'll see how the first one goes and then maybe I will do it once a year or something lol

So how about the post cycle to combat sides - what do you recommend with test.

Also, should I pyramid the test starting with small doses and increasing and then pyramiding down to end?
 
No pyramiding.... just pick a dosage and run with it.

I'd have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to combat possible estrogen sides during your cycle. Aromasin is my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) of choice.

I'd have both clomid and nolva for pct. One alone should suffice... you can try either and if you encounter sides you have an alternative to switch to....
 
This is where I am with the cycle so far. I am thinking Sustanon 250 mg twice a week for 10 weeks. Then starting Proviron week 3 through week 10. Then using Nolva for my post cycle therapy (pct) which I will begin 3 weeks after my last shot.

Any suggestions/opinions?

Again, I only have access to these steroids and treatments so please give your opinions/suggestions regarding what I have available to me. If these will not be sufficient, then I will just not do a cycle.

Also, what dosage for the Proviron and Nolva should I use. Lastly, I here some continue to use Proviron through their post cycle therapy (pct) - any thoughts about that?
 
I would not trust proviron to keep estrogen in control. If you can get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) it would be nice. If not then proviron and Nolva will work in the event gyno symptoms show. It is a obsolete and inferior protocol but would suffice in a pinch...

Again running proviron during post cycle therapy (pct) is not optimal. It will suppress your hpta some... IF in the event running nolva during post cycle therapy (pct) is not enough to control gyno symptom proviron can be used...but not the most efficient or reliable way....
 
Thanks for the quick replies.

Is it ok to start using Proviron after week 4 of the cycle or should I start it earlier/later if I am doing a 10 week cycle? ....I haven't been able to find the best info on Proviron yet.
 
I run proviron and start day 1. With Sustanon (sust) I'd start no later the week 2 for estro control... like I said tho its not reliable for estro control.

Can you get an AI?
 
Yeah, I was thinking I should just start day 1 too. Unfortunately, my guy doesn't have any AI's. I am lucky that I even have access to the Nolva, Clomid and Proviron.

Will my cycle still be effective/safe without an AI?
 
You can order an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from a research company sponsor of this forum RUI (banner above).

What he has will suffice... if its all I could get I'd run it. I would feel better with an AI...
 
Yeah, I would buy the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) online but I am highly suspicious of anything online. The last thing I need is to get some crazy shit the first time I do a cycle and it ends up messing with my body. If I was to go that route, what would be the best way to research a research company to make sure they are legit?

And if I can keep 10lbs of muscle from this cycle, trust me, I will never do another cycle because if I had 10 more pounds of muscle, I would be jacked. I am already told all the time that I am on juice so I will be exactly where I need to be with 10 more pounds
 
well you better tape a pillow to your ass its gunna hurt!!! LOL especially the first couple pokes :P

welcome to the dark side
 
Lol, the point of one cycle for me is that if I gain 20 lbs and keep 10 of it I will reach the goal I have been looking to reach for 5 years. If I can maintain those 10 lbs for years to come then I have achieved what I intended. At this point, I think only steriods can get me there. If I dont keep it, then so be it...not going to shoot myself up for life...not what I am looking for. I dont knock others who do it but I feel like I am cheating. I achieved a pretty good build all naturally...took 12 years (probably could have been attained in 3 years of steriods) but I am fine with that. To each their own
 
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