Newb's questions about PCT

[SantaCruz]

Stats
age: 22
height: 5'11
weight: 190lb
training time: 2 years
cycle history: none
Diet: 2500cal I want to this perfect before I start any cycles

Theoretical Cycle

Week 1-8: 600mg Test E (300mg Every third day EDIT: Would 500 mg/week be better for my first cycle)
Week 2-8: 500ui Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (Once a Week)

Week 9-10: 500ui Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (everyday for 10 days)
Given four days off of HCG

Week 11: Begin PCT
day 1 150mg Clomid 60mg Nolva (I've read up to 300mg fof Clomid for the first day?)
day 2-11 100mg Clomid, 40mg Nolva
day 12-21 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva

This is just my idea of what my first cycle should look like after doing some research. I understand Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) isn't necessary, and have been getting a lot of broscience on the topic. Some are saying its nullfied during the test cycle because your body sees the artificial test in your system, believing it's already in homeostasis. Others say it helps kick-start your post cycle therapy (pct). Any official verdict? Can someone explain how ui converts to cc for this substance? I know a ui is different for ever substance. Hypothetically I get a 5000ui 10mL vial. 5000ui/10mL = 500ui/mL?

I've also read about Aromasin, 25mg for 4-6 weeks. Would this begin at week 11?
On the topic of Aromasin, it raises natural test levels 60%. Wouldn't this leave my
natural test level higher than natural, causing for more estrogen to be created
when I stop taking it?

EDIT: There should be a way to mark through text

 

[Austin1]

Welcome,

I really don't know where to begin. Everything you've read/learned about hCG is inaccurate. Natural testosterone is produced by Leydig Cells in your testes. Leydig cells are stimulated by Luteinizing hormone (LH) coming from your pituitary. LH is suppressed in the presence of exogenous testosterone. hCG mimics LH analog so that your leydig cells are stimulated on cycle, therefore staying alive/responsive. This betters your chance at recovery as you won't risk rendering your leydig cells useless/desensitized.

Furthermore, it will prevent testicular atrophy. I recommend hCG on cycle only. Not a day after and certainly never during post cycle therapy (pct).

hCG should be used at a minimum of 250 IU, twice weekly. Not 500 IU once weekly. Converting IU to CC depends on how you reconstitute your hCG. If you have a 5000 IU vial, apply 5 CC of BAC water. Now you have 1000 IU per CC. To get 250 IU you would draw 0.25 CC. (one quarter of a CC).

Aromasin, or the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) of your choice would need to be started during the first week of your cycle, until the very end of your cycle or up to post cycle therapy (pct).

Aromasin does not always raise testosterone, this is actually rare and generally negligible. In most cases of increased testosterone, it rather creates an imbalanced testosterone to Estrogen ratio. Generous doses are common in an attempt to raise testosterone which can also lead to low E2, which is unhealthy.

With regards to post cycle therapy (pct), there is never, for any scenario, a need for 300 mg of clomiphene. Even 150 is excessively aggressive. 75 to 100 mg maximum for your first week, and you would simply cut that dose in half (35-50 mg) for the remaining 3 weeks. Same goes for Tamoxifen; 40mg for 7 days followed by 20mg for the remainder of the therapy session.

Lastly, Testosterone enanthate needs to exceed 10 weeks for cycling. 8 weeks is not enough. Weeks 8 to 12 is where you will get the most from this compound. If that is too long for you, consider a short estered testosterone.

Best of luck to you.

 

[comrade00]

You should really try to extend your Test cycle to 12 weeks.....8 weeks for Enethate or Cypionate is really not enough

 

[SantaCruz]

Welcome,

I really don't know where to begin. Everything you've read/learned about hCG is inaccurate.

Exactly the reason I'm here.

Furthermore, it will prevent testicular atrophy. I recommend hCG on cycle only. Not a day after and certainly never during post cycle therapy (pct).

I've read people doing two weeks after their cycle, waiting for the half life of the hCG, then starting post cycle therapy (pct). I guess it's just more broscience.

hCG should be used at a minimum of 250 IU, twice weekly. Not 500 IU once weekly. Converting IU to CC depends on how you reconstitute your hCG. If you have a 5000 IU vial, apply 5 CC of BAC water. Now you have 1000 IU per CC. To get 250 IU you would draw 0.25 CC. (one quarter of a CC).

Can this be injected directly after my test? And where would this be injected? I didn't even think to look into that.

Lastly, Testosterone enanthate needs to exceed 10 weeks for cycling. 8 weeks is not enough. Weeks 8 to 12 is where you will get the most from this compound. If that is too long for you, consider a short estered testosterone.

Can I stop at 10? Or would a short estered be a better idea for someone's first cycle? I don't want to over do it my first time.

Would 500 mg/week be better for my first cycle?

 

[Rumpy]

500mg/week for 12 weeks is the norm. It's a time tested beginners cycle, I would urge you not to second guess the wisdom of all the guys that have come before you. This is an effective yet fairly mild dose. I recommend you stick to this.

HCG can be mixed in the same syringe and pinned with the test (yes, you can mix oil and water but most prefer to pin it sub Q with a slin pin. I mix 5000iu with 10 ml of BAC water, so every 1/2ml is 250 iu, I pin this in belly fat with a slin pin. There are two schools of thought on how to use it, some do recommend doing all of it in week or two blast post cycle, the idea being to really kick start them before post cycle therapy (pct), but most, including myself agree with Austinite, it's better to prevent them from shutting down in the first place. I was taught to run it up to about 4 days before starting post cycle therapy (pct), but if A says to stop right at the end of the cycle I will not contradict him. You're not shut down on day one, so it's more important that you run up til the end than it is to start on day one. Ideally you would do both, but practically, if you have one 5000iu vial, which is 10 weeks worth of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for a 12 week test cycle, you should start 2 weeks in so you do not run out before your cycle is over.

 

[SantaCruz]

500mg/week for 12 weeks is the norm. It's a time tested beginners cycle, I would urge you not to second guess the wisdom of all the guys that have come before you. This is an effective yet fairly mild dose. I recommend you stick to this.

I was suggesting 600 mg/week because the only thing I can find is T300. Would it be wise to measure out 0.8mL for each injection?

I was taught to run it up to about 4 days before starting post cycle therapy (pct), but if A says to stop right at the end of the cycle I will not contradict him.

This is exactly what I came across. But I'll follow what the veteran has to say.

You're not shut down on day one, so it's more important that you run up til the end than it is to start on day one. Ideally you would do both, but practically, if you have one 5000iu vial, which is 10 weeks worth of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for a 12 week test cycle, you should start 2 weeks in so you do not run out before your cycle is over.

Is it wiser to do all 12 weeks? I'll certainly fork out a little more money if you think it's important.

 

[Rumpy]

I do thing it's worth going for 12 weeks, truth is your best gains will likely be in the final 2 weeks, so it would be a shame to quit early. You might start at 500 and bump up to 600 after a few weeks, just to get your feet wet, or you could just go in with 600. I've run both levels and 600 def feels better to me, but I also noticed a difference in body acne between the 2 doses. Either way, you probably won't fell much for the first 2 weeks. If you do start at 600 and decide to back it down, it will probably take about a week for your blood levels to drop after you change the dosage. Also, if you run at 600 it will take a little longer for it to clear, so I would wait for PCT 15-18 days instead of just 2 weeks. Personally, I think 50/20 is enough for post cycle therapy (pct), but I would run it for 4 weeks. You can front load the first few days depending on how much you have, but 50/20 for 28-30 days will probably do more for you than the front load, if you have to choose based on how much you have on hand.