Nolva and clomid necessary for post cycle therapy (pct) with test e cycle using hcg???

[tomahawk]

Nolva and clomid necessary for PCT with test e cycle using hcg???

I am planning on using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the cycle to help out my hormones and hopefully make PCT easier. I also have arimidex on hand to use during my cycle. I am just wondering if nolva and clomid will both be necessary for PCT, is one better than the other, or should I wait and see how bad my gyno and water retention side effects are? Anyone with experience have any opinions. I have both nolva and clomid on hand already.

Here is my cycle plan:

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg 2x250/week
Week 4-12: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's)
Week 2-12: Arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD. Increase dosage if necessary.
Week 14-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 14-17: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-12: Taurine 5g/day

 

[tbonexl]

I would keep those for your pct unless you don't want your cock&balls to work. Grow some tittys... Have little to no natural test production... Ahh, u make the call...

 

[MeatHead96]

For PCT use both or just use clomid only. Clomid is better for restarting hpta.

 

[Panthro]

youre only running 500mg a week and using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500iu a week? From my understanding 500mg of test wont shut you down that much were you need to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through the entire cycle(unless your balls shrink)... at the end run it 10 days and then nolva and clomid after...

 

[MustangDX]

I am planning on using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the cycle to help out my hormones and hopefully make PCT easier. I also have arimidex on hand to use during my cycle. I am just wondering if nolva and clomid will both be necessary for PCT, is one better than the other, or should I wait and see how bad my gyno and water retention side effects are? Anyone with experience have any opinions. I have both nolva and clomid on hand already.

Here is my cycle plan:

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg 2x250/week
Week 4-12: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's)
Week 2-12: Arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD. Increase dosage if necessary.
Week 14-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 14-17: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-12: Taurine 5g/day

Take the Arimidex Weeks 1-14. Start your PCT week 15 so your at least 2 weeks out from your last injection. Definitely do the Nolva/Clomid combo for post cycle therapy (pct). I personally do it, Clomid 50/50/50/50, Nolva 20/20/20/20 but everyone has their own opinion on that. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not totally necessary for your first basic Test E only cycle but it's your choice. I would research how to cycle the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because I know your plan is a little wrong.

 

[mrricco2012]

I'd use both mate, thats what i plan on doing. Safety while being on a cycle is the best option

 

[raysugar1234]

This is something i dont understand as well. I know say Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not unnecessary on first cycle but i don't get why some people recommend only nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) and others recommend a combo of the two. I've read that clomid is only necessary if testicle shrinkage occurs. But i dont know for sure. I planned on running only nolva after my first cycle of test e 600 i'm going to be running because i think the combo may be unnecessary.

 

[MustangDX]

This is something i dont understand as well. I know say Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not unnecessary on first cycle but i don't get why some people recommend only nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) and others recommend a combo of the two. I've read that clomid is only necessary if testicle shrinkage occurs. But i dont know for sure. I planned on running only nolva after my first cycle of test e 600 i'm going to be running because i think the combo may be unnecessary.

If you ask any knowledgeable AAS vet, they're gonna tell you the same thing. It's best to do the Clomid/Nolva combo to cover all your bases for a better post cycle recovery.

 

[raysugar1234]

If you ask any knowledgeable AAS vet, they're gonna tell you the same thing. It's best to do the Clomid/Nolva combo to cover all your bases for a better post cycle recovery.

I'm sure your right, i know i want the best recovery possible and definatley dont want to cut any corners but I also dont wanna take anything that's not neccessary. well i planed on having nolva on hand during cycle in case gyno develops and i'll run the combo post cycle therapy (pct). do you think an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is needed on a test e only cycle?

 

[raysugar1234]

I've read that killing all your estrogen can be a bad thing for recovery because you still need some for gains and recovery, that's why i asked im kinda confused over it.

 

[tbonexl]

I don't and won't run a cycle without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). It is highly recommended to use one.. did you research any of this at all?

 

[tomahawk]

Ok, so I think this seems to confirm that I should use both nolva and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). Thanks for the feedback. I think I will start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the middle of week 4 and end in the middle of week 14. That works out to a full 5000 iu bottle of hcg. If anyone has any different knowledge for the correct use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I would like to hear it. Thanks again.

My new cycle plan is:

Week 1-12: Test E 250mg 2x/week
Week 4-14: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
Week 1-14: Arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD. Start with 0.25 & move up from there if necessary
Week 15-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 15-17: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-12: Taurine 5g/day

 

[MustangDX]

Ok, so I think this seems to confirm that I should use both nolva and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). Thanks for the feedback. I think I will start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the middle of week 4 and end in the middle of week 14. That works out to a full 5000 iu bottle of hcg. If anyone has any different knowledge for the correct use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I would like to hear it. Thanks again.

My new cycle plan is:

Week 1-12: Test E 250mg 2x/week
Week 4-14: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
Week 1-14: Arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD. Start with 0.25 & move up from there if necessary
Week 15-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 15-17: Clomid 50/50/25/25
Week 1-12: Taurine 5g/day

You don't need the Taurine, i'm sure you get enough of it in your protein, multi, energy drinks, etc. Excess Taurine is mostly used for Clenbuterol/Albuterol cycles because they decrease your levels. I like your cycle, just wish you would do 0.5mgs/EOD of Arimidex. That's usually the norm and it's better to be safe than sorry...

 

[MustangDX]

I'm sure your right, i know i want the best recovery possible and definatley dont want to cut any corners but I also dont wanna take anything that's not neccessary. well i planed on having nolva on hand during cycle in case gyno develops and i'll run the combo post cycle therapy (pct). do you think an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is needed on a test e only cycle?

I've read that killing all your estrogen can be a bad thing for recovery because you still need some for gains and recovery, that's why i asked im kinda confused over it.

The Clomid/Nolva combo is absolutely necessary. You gotta take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Anastrozole(Arimidex) during your cycle, from your first pin all the way till you start your post cycle therapy (pct). The Aromatase inhibitor (AI) prevents excess water retention and it fights off gyno. You would take the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) @0.5mgs/EOD. Your right, you wouldn't need the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during your post cycle therapy (pct) because you need some estrogen to help your recovery.

 

[tomahawk]

Thanks MustangDX. I will up my arimidex to .5mgs EOD. I was worried that too much adex would slow down my gains from the test.

I wasn't sure how much taurine is in my protein powder because it doesn't say on the tub and I don't drink energy drinks. I also didn't think there was enough for my daily needs in other protein that I eat and heard that it would help with muscle cramping. I will maybe wait to see if I get any cramping and then add it in if necessary. It may be unnecessary. Thanks again.

Updated cycle:
Week 1-12: Test E 250mg 2x/week
Week 4-14: HcG 500iu/week (2x250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
Week 1-14: Arimidex - 0.5mgs EOD. Start with 0.5 & move up from there if experiencing gyno or bloating symptoms.
Week 15-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 15-17: Clomid 50/50/25/25