Nolvadex and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) enough?

[BIGRK]

Nolvadex and HCG enough?

Hey guys,

I need to know if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and a shit ton of nolvadex is gonna suffice for a first cycle.

I keep reading everywhere that you should have letro on hand also but wouldnt the nolvadex be good enough?

Also ive read alot that you need and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand but really cant afford everything under the damn sun.

Some input would be great.

Thanks

 

[Biggin]

Nolvadex for estrogen and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). Alot of people dont like neither, but they work.

 

[navycron]

But I read that Nolvadex only blocks estrogen and usually only focuses on the breast tissue. Wouldnt you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin to deal with the extra estrogen? Just asking cause I'm prepping to start my first cycle soon. I'm thinking nolvadex, aromasin during my cycle (maybe Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well). Nolva, clomid, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for post cycle. Is that good?

 

[Leahcimrac]

HCG is supposted to delay natural recovery of LH and sperm production tho isn't it?

 

[AustinTX]

HCG is supposted to delay natural recovery of LH and sperm production tho isn't it?

not if it's run low dose through the cycle, or just briefly at the end to kickstart your natural production, it keeps sperm production going, but you need to let your natural process take over at the end as test levels go back to their normal levels for you and the feedback loop stops being whacked out...

 

[Leahcimrac]

not if it's run low dose through the cycle, or just briefly at the end to kickstart your natural production, it keeps sperm production going, but you need to let your natural process take over at the end as test levels go back to their normal levels for you and the feedback loop stops being whacked out...

Thanks for the advice mate. I'm planning my first cycle in the new year and was told not to go on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but what your saying makes alot of sense. I guess I need to know enough about every detail before going ahead next year.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

But I read that Nolvadex only blocks estrogen and usually only focuses on the breast tissue. Wouldnt you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin to deal with the extra estrogen? Just asking cause I'm prepping to start my first cycle soon. I'm thinking nolvadex, aromasin during my cycle (maybe Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well). Nolva, clomid, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for post cycle. Is that good?

Only use the nolva if you get gyno, but run the aromasin as a preventitive measure.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Hey guys,

I need to know if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and a shit ton of nolvadex is gonna suffice for a first cycle.

I keep reading everywhere that you should have letro on hand also but wouldnt the nolvadex be good enough?

Also ive read alot that you need and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand but really cant afford everything under the damn sun.

Some input would be great.

Thanks

Aromasin reduces estro like 65% letro like 99%.

your suppose to have letro on hand, because if your taking the aromasin already and you somehow get gyno still obviously you will need something stronger.

 

[navycron]

Only use the nolva if you get gyno, but run the aromasin as a preventitive measure.

Thanks man. I'll follow that. Besides aromasin, I guess I should also have letro on hand just in case, right? I think just having aromasin should suffice right? I have the nolvadex to help in case aromasin isnt enough.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Thanks man. I'll follow that. Besides aromasin, I guess I should also have letro on hand just in case, right? I think just having aromasin should suffice right? I have the nolvadex to help in case aromasin isnt enough.

Remember the nolva does nothing except stop the gyno from progressing temporarily. It prob will not make the the gyno go away, just suppress it. Also if you just take nolva for gyno and not add an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) when you discontinue the nolva it could come back a lot stronger than it did the first time. If you block all the estro but do not reduce it, it will stil be there and the level of it will be climbing.

If you run Aromasin you prob will not get gyno, and you prob will not need the letro. the problem is if you do need it, how long will it take to get it?

Most guys will get away with using aromasin @ 12.5 mg a day. But remebering from your prior posts, since you have a higher% of bodyfat you will be more prone to gyno becasue you have more receptors.

 

[Scarz]

Aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor and it's main function is to block the sythesis of estrogen. Its usually favoured on cycle to avoid estrogen related side effects such as gyno, acne, and/or (especially) water-retention. Nolva is used on cycle to prevent gyno from occuring, or starting nolva at the smallest sign of gyno occurance. In your case it's probably wise to use arimdex at 0.5mg everyday as it's stronger than aromasin (but less liked), and nolva 20mg daily. Nolva will inhibit gains slightly, but not too much to worry about.

What gear you planing to cycle anyway?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor and it's main function is to block the sythesis of estrogen. Its usually favoured on cycle to avoid estrogen related side effects such as gyno, acne, and/or (especially) water-retention. Nolva is used on cycle to prevent gyno from occuring, or starting nolva at the smallest sign of gyno occurance. In your case it's probably wise to use arimdex at 0.5mg everyday as it's stronger than aromasin (but less liked), and nolva 20mg daily. Nolva will inhibit gains slightly, but not too much to worry about.

What gear you planing to cycle anyway?

"It acts by blocking the enzyme aromatase, subsequently blocking the production of estrogen. Since many forms of breast cancer cells are stimulated by estrogen, it is hoped that by reducing amounts of estrogen in the body the progression of such a disease can be halted. This is the basic premise behind Nolvadex, except this drug blocks the action and not production of estrogen."

This is a chunk of info pulled from the steroid articles on this site. By blocking the production of estro you are lowereing the amount in your system. Nolva just blocks the estro from doing damage, it does not stop the production of estro. Meaning that if you take Nolva ONLY for GYNO when you stop it could come back much stronger and faster.

Arimidex is stronger per milligram than aromasin. But a normal dose of aromasin will lower estro more than the normal dose of adex. Thats why it is a better choice if money is not a concern.

 

[navycron]

"It acts by blocking the enzyme aromatase, subsequently blocking the production of estrogen. Since many forms of breast cancer cells are stimulated by estrogen, it is hoped that by reducing amounts of estrogen in the body the progression of such a disease can be halted. This is the basic premise behind Nolvadex, except this drug blocks the action and not production of estrogen."

This is a chunk of info pulled from the steroid articles on this site. By blocking the production of estro you are lowereing the amount in your system. Nolva just blocks the estro from doing damage, it does not stop the production of estro. Meaning that if you take Nolva ONLY for GYNO when you stop it could come back much stronger and faster.

Arimidex is stronger per milligram than aromasin. But a normal dose of aromasin will lower estro more than the normal dose of adex. Thats why it is a better choice if money is not a concern.

That was very informative man. I'm definately gonna use aromasin. And keep letro on the side, just in case. I'm still loosing weight by the way and wont start gear until I'm 210-215 lbs. I'm 5'10 btw. So far I'm 239, down from 284 2 1/2 months ago. I'm doing cardio, DIET and doing my liquid T3. (I heard that T3 liquid is weaker than T3 tablets. Is that true?) Peace dude

 

[Rez2k1]

HCG and test dosage question

I just got done with a test enanthate cycle. First 4 weeks stacked it with dbol.

Test ramped up from 1cc of 250mg for first 5 weeks, then went up to 1.5 and took my last shot at 2 cc a week and half ago. I'm ready for my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but with reading around, I'm a bit confused as to dosage and timing.

I have single amp Pregnyl 5000

I've been told 1 vial per day, 3 days in row. Then 1 vile every 5 days for 3 more shots. Seems excessive. Please advise.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

You should start a new thread so the guys that know will help you.

 

[Rez2k1]

thanks newbie.. I didnt catch that..