Noob needs help!

[furiousgeorge]

I've been doing martial arts for the past few years and competed at 155 to 170 weight level in a few events and have now chosen to move up in weight to the 180 to 195 weight class, since I'm getting a bit older and slower. I'm 30, a little over 6'1, naturally in the 165 to 168 range, and do quite a bit of cardio. I spoke to my doctor and he said that "I'm a naturally skinny guy" and that there is really nothing I can do about it, other than keep working out and hope for more muscle gains. Then a few months ago I saw the documentary “bigger, stronger, faster” and it changed my whole outlook on steroids and what their risks and benefits are. It seems that if muscle enhancers are taken responsibly, the side affects are very minimal, and almost always reversible. I then did a little research on various muscle enhancers, different cycles, what to take along with your cycles, how much weight you can gain while on the enhancers, and how much you stand to lose and have found that there are many schools of thought out there.

I've been lifting weights at a local gym for the past 3 months, taking Cytosport - Cytogainer, USP Labs Prime Testosterone booster, and Creatine mixed in with my drinks through out the day, with only about 5 lbs of natural muscle weight gain. I been trying to gain the muscle I need to get to my 180 - 190 weight goal naturally, but it doesn’t seem to be happening for me. I don’t think that my body is capable getting to that weight with out some help from our pharmaceutical friends; so that’s why I’m here. What I need now is some good advice on how to achieve my muscle gain goals, through the use of steroids, and but also keep it in the safe realm. I need to be in the 180 – 190 range by the end of January in order to compete in a martial arts tournament, but my blood needs to be completely clean, just in case I am randomly tested. I’ve read a few things out there about steroids that don’t show up on tests, but that is a risk I’m not going to take. If I test positive for muscle enhancers at this tournament I will be disqualified, barred from future tournaments, and looked down upon by the community; that can’t happen.

I found this article timinvermont.com/fitness/test1.htm online and it seems like a pretty good plan, but it requires that I take a lot of other things along with the cycle to prevent the “side affects”. I’ve also been poking around on this site and have found a lot of great info form very experienced people, but not really tailored to what I’m looking to do. Could anyone give me advice, considering my circumstance, on what my first cycle should be like? Can anyone suggest what products, if any, I need to take with my first cycle to avoid the side affects? Can someone suggest a discrete place in So Cal I can go to personally, or a reputable website, where I can get the products I need to achieve my goals? I look forward to hearing any opinions or constructive criticisms you guys might have. Please feel free to PM me if you have info that might help. Thank you.

George

 

[Teutonic]

Bulk up and pee clean in 75 days...wow..
Aaahhh... look up steroid detection times.
....maybe go with test in a water base or a propianate preperation ???
And look at passyourdrugtest.com..they re stuff is good...I m 4-0 with it in a court setting..hair.. urine..all good to go...use the live chat and they can cleanse roid s in 10-12 day s but I ve never done that..good luck..

 

[HUTCH]

Test P 100mg/eod for 16 wks with proviron 50mg/ed. Never used the site mentioned above but its worth a shot... best of luck to ya

 

[furiousgeorge]

Thanks for the advice guys. I will check out passyourdrugtest.com and see what they can offer. If the courts can’t detect it then I think I might be good. So the 100mg of test eod along with the proviron should do give me what I'm after? I've read that the faster the test is absorbed into your system the more prevalent the side effect. I’ve read that if the test hits your system too fast it can be converted into estrogen which can cause side affects like enlarged breasts. I don’t want that! What do you guys think about enanthate? Would it be too slow for the time frame I’m facing? Does anyone know of a source in So Cal that can give me advice and provide "treatment' in person? I’m in a tough situation right now and need to get on this ASAP. Thanks again for the help and advice.

 

[furiousgeorge]

Can anyone help?

 

[ezred]

you're better off with short esters if you're trying to bulk and have it out of your system quickly. as for sides, you should have Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to deal with that issue if it arises. but you never know, they may not be an issue for you at all.

bump

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i think its cheating, sorry.........unless everyone else is doing it, which i doubt.

thats like using juice in a natural BB competition. not worth the risk imo

when trying to gain weight, what are you eating? example for a day is what im looking for. most docs dont know shit about diet. I just read a big article about how no one listens to them cause a lot of them are fat and lazy.

besides the pumps kill your cardio.

 

[ezred]

i think its cheating, sorry.........unless everyone else is doing it, which i doubt.

thats like using juice in a natural BB competition. not worth the risk imo

when trying to gain weight, what are you eating? example for a day is what im looking for. most docs dont know shit about diet. I just read a big article about how no one listens to them cause a lot of them are fat and lazy.

besides the pumps kill your cardio.

i'm sure some others are doing it. not everyone obviously, but there's definitely some other cats using SOME kind of peds.

just like there are some guys that juice and clean up for natty bb contests.

 

[Teutonic]

OAKs a good man..I know this...

MOST docs rank with lawyer s car salesmen..bankers..insurance guy s and all god s chosen one s in my book...need to be rounded up and put in camps so they can CONCENTRATE on their evil doings to us poor goyem..
I am of the of the opinion that if you don t get caught... it s not illegal....catch me if you can mentality.
OP..score some aromasine to counter any unwanted side s that will come along...that drug test site I told you of is in Nevada so any shipping will be overnight...dont know of any sources in So California..all mine are overseas..or or worse... in Michigan..I know a yankee makin gear...but he s real tight lipped bout it.
Go to Z..^^^ order domestic..good luck.

 

[furiousgeorge]

i think its cheating, sorry.........unless everyone else is doing it, which i doubt.

thats like using juice in a natural BB competition. not worth the risk imo

when trying to gain weight, what are you eating? example for a day is what im looking for. most docs dont know shit about diet. I just read a big article about how no one listens to them cause a lot of them are fat and lazy.

besides the pumps kill your cardio.

I don’t think its cheating since I’m not using it to gain an advantage over my opponent. I'm doing it to gain weight and move up into another weight class. My skill level is already there and need the weight to go along with it. I would also like to be off it by the time I’m going to compete, so really it’s just going to be another part of my training regimen. I've tried doing it the natural way, but I’m convinced that my body is just not built for it, since I’ve never been a bulky guy.

As far as my diet, I try to eat lean meats with as much protein as possible two meals a day along with vegetables or grains. For breakfast I generally eat high fiber cereals, oatmeal, or bagels. I try to eat as healthy but still get as many calories as possible into my diet. I have cut down on the amount of cardio exercises I do to prevent burning too many calories. I use Cytogainer with 2% milk every night after my work outs, which provide me with 800 to 900 calories and over 50 grams of protein, on top of all my other meals. I have a fast metabolism and it’s tough to gain weight proportionally. If I do put on weight it tends to stay around my mid section, which really sucks.

 

[furiousgeorge]

OAKs a good man..I know this...

MOST docs rank with lawyer s car salesmen..bankers..insurance guy s and all god s chosen one s in my book...need to be rounded up and put in camps so they can CONCENTRATE on their evil doings to us poor goyem..
I am of the of the opinion that if you don t get caught... it s not illegal....catch me if you can mentality.
OP..score some aromasine to counter any unwanted side s that will come along...that drug test site I told you of is in Nevada so any shipping will be overnight...dont know of any sources in So California..all mine are overseas..or or worse... in Michigan..I know a yankee makin gear...but he s real tight lipped bout it.
Go to Z..^^^ order domestic..good luck.

I agree with you on the Doc rankings! Those guys will prescribe you heroine for a back ache, until you ask if something like test can help you gain weight. I think all these pro athletes lying about their use put test, HGH and other enhancers back 20 years in the public’s point of view. I wager that people not bat an eye if you told them you did coke for extended period of time, but they would have a heart attack if you told them you tried some sort of steroid.

I'm going to look around on this site and try to find some reputable domestic internet companies that might be able to help. I've heard of some "wellness centers" and chiropractors that can give you test injections too. Has anyone had any experience with either? Would you guys trust your bodies to these people?

I looked up aromasine online and it said it was for breast cancer; does this stuff really work to counter the side affects of enhancers? Do you guys think some test screws up your liver or kidneys? If so can you let me know which to stay away from? I really appreciate all your help and look forward to your responses. I'm learning a lot. Thanks again!

 

[furiousgeorge]

I went for a testosterone level test last week and I got the results back today. The doctor said that a normal guy my age has a level between 400 and 800 ng/dl...mine is at 830!! WTF!! How the hell are my levels naturally so high and I still can’t gain any damn weight! Now my doctor says there is no way that he could provide testosterone treatment.

I go through the trouble of going to my through "the right channels" and I still get no where. Is there anyone on this forum that can either point me to a legit site that won’t rip me off and that I won’t get busted on, or provide me with a source in the California / Nevada / Arizona area that can help me out personally? I've been working out regularly for a long time and have minimal results to show for it. I need to do something soon or I’ll be screwed. Thanks.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Test P 100mg/eod for 16 wks with proviron 50mg/ed. Never used the site mentioned above but its worth a shot... best of luck to ya

Hmmm... Nothing to do with the post but, doesn't ythrashin have the monopoly on the juice monkey title?

 

[Larrybird]

Being a Martial Arts guy, you probably burn quite a bit of calories. Have you thought about just changing your diet up and doing a clean bulk?

Can you stomach a lot of food?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone likes you needs 4,000 calories ++ a day, just because you workout so damn much.

 

[furiousgeorge]

Being a Martial Arts guy, you probably burn quite a bit of calories. Have you thought about just changing your diet up and doing a clean bulk?

Can you stomach a lot of food?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone likes you needs 4,000 calories ++ a day, just because you workout so damn much.

Yeah I do burn a lot of calories but I have cut back on my cardio exercises and increased my calorie intake significantly since I decided to go up in weight. I'm also taking Cytogainer which provides 900 calories per helping when you mix it with 2% milk. I average between 3500 and 4000 calories a day on my current diet and it's still hard to gain weight.

I'm not interested in only gaining weight and not muscle. If I cut out almost all my cardio and up my calorie intake to gain straight body fat, I will gas out in no time. I'm going to be fighting at least 3 matches in one day so I need to have good stamina. When a fighter moves up in weight class but only gains fat to get there, they always lose because they can not work out and build up their cardio.

I don't really want to use enhancers at this point but I've come to the conclusion that it is my only option for the time frame I'm working with. Thanks for your suggestion though.

 

[scotimusprime]

im with oak, its cheating.

if your skills are as good as you are saying, stay in the class you are in and dominate it. why take gear,move up a weight class only to find out that another guy did the same thing and can beat your ass.

 

[furiousgeorge]

im with oak, its cheating.

if your skills are as good as you are saying, stay in the class you are in and dominate it. why take gear,move up a weight class only to find out that another guy did the same thing and can beat your ass.

You obviously didn't read all my posts, so I don't care if you think I'm cheating or not. I love when people that have never fought or done any kind of competitive martial arts try to teach me. Wearing the latest tap out gear doesn't make you a fighter. Please don't post on this thread if you think I'm cheating or have nothing to add but negativism.

 

[scotimusprime]

i dont wear tap out gear, or fight at all but it's cheating imo whether you think so or not bro

also i read all your posts and see your prob, you want to do aas to gain weight when you have EXTREMELY high natural test. whats the point? up your cals and you WILL gain weight and then you wont jepordize your career by failing a drug test or something like that.

i wont respond to your thread anymore because i dont want you to beat me up and i have nothing negative to say. just that you could do it natuarally