Opinoins on IP
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Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
My highly personal opinion is that IP as good as any other UG-lab.
I have done a lot of IP stuff and never been unsatisfied. Bee sure you get the gear directly from the man himself however.
Whenever someone has painful low prices on gear they is going to get attaced by people with economical interesst in the same bussiness. Rumours is hard to stop when they get "real" on the big international forums.
My suggestion is that you try it out and make tour OWN opinion if it's good or not.
/Bruce
I have done a lot of IP stuff and never been unsatisfied. Bee sure you get the gear directly from the man himself however.
Whenever someone has painful low prices on gear they is going to get attaced by people with economical interesst in the same bussiness. Rumours is hard to stop when they get "real" on the big international forums.
My suggestion is that you try it out and make tour OWN opinion if it's good or not.
/Bruce
Deepglute
30 YEARS AAS EXPERIENCE
Bruce Banner said:
I completely agree!
I have used IP and have gotten as good of results as while using any other gear. I also believe there are a number of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users out there that train like little girls on poor diets and they blame their lack of results on the juice they were using, especially if it's from a UG Lab such as IP.
China_Wall
New member
Risky???...What does that mean? Can you back it up with some test results or say that no top level bodybuilders have ever used the stuff? I highly doubt it.T.E.S.T.O said:
With every UG there's gonna be supporters and critics, but I've been using IP products only for 3 yrs now and they're as good as any I've used.
I totally agree that there are people who place all the blame on the gear they're using rather then taking a good hard look at how they train, eat and rest.
But WTF do I know, I live in China
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Slick Arrado
Yeah, I'll mow your lawn.
I've heard, many times, of people getting AND not getting results from his gear. I've never used his stuff though. Bump for more replies.
Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
Here is IP's own reply to the critics, then it's up to you to think what you want.
Furher down some negative stuff from Body of Science in a link, enjoy.
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Guys on boards who complain about my product on boards NEVER emailed me maybe because they never ever ordered nore have ip products to begin with or it must be hide the truth , , few years ago one of elite board mods ( the cuban )posted we put toxins in our tabs , another mod(warloboo) posted the money from our sales go to chinese military to nuke usa ! .. these posted on ellitefitnes board by thier moderator ! they endorse brand name X when in fact thats brand X is UG and coming from same country ! maybe because they vested interest in brand X ..when i went try to go on board and defend myself they banned me and kicked me out , my post deleted
dont expect unbiased opinion when many boards are sources and/or thier mod is source and members are clients of that mod or source so they become groupies of that source and that brand name that he happen to carry , they all support that brand in unisome accept all info board feed them and down others , dont attempt to ask question such board or thats what you get : STAY AWAY FROM IP ! some board exclusively push a certain brand , dont ask about other brands on such board or you become a ugly duckling ., ,never ask on boards about any product unless you make sure you are in natural ground
with any substance that has been creminalized there is turf war , as for steroids this war faught on discusion boards , take it with a grain of salt :
Fact : Ip was first in the world to make high dose steroid products , both tabs and injectables , and to this day we recieve brutal and humilating attacks for doing so , other guys copied our list but not our prices so you beleive lies on boards and pay more elsewhere for same or lower dosed products , i see most guys saying my adrol is bunk but still say winy is good , these guys dont realize oxymetholone cost less than winy and is actualy intermidiate for winstrol (meaning winstrol actualy synthesized -made- from same oxymetholone i am selling ) so if my adrol fake then so be the winy ! they say white dball was crap ,when i film coated same tabs orange they said much better than old ones !,MOD say my cyp tested not cyp but mixture od esthers ? then how in the world you get the dose over 200 mg , as cyp dont have solubility , and lab dont catch all the esthers unless being told and paid $100 per ester ..
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA1 ; I am a member of the Elitefitness board and all they do is push you towards certain sources and products...
these guys who didnt like us sent adrol to lab and lable it ANAVAR , it tested 46 mg of oxymetholone , thats because someone lable white tab Anavar and send to lab , asiprin tabs labled IP Adrol sent to lab , diluted bottles sent to lab ,.. pure veg oil from supermarket sent to lab as IP oil .. then the attackers become more sofistacated , cant say its just totaly fake , how to make IP tabs test bad ? they just chipped off tabs corner send to lab and it tested under , after i talked to tester and gotten sample mass results i exposed the lie , the tabs were not whole and they did this on perpose
buzzcock69@************
Nick Faykosh ,R.D. 7 Box 50 ,Bunker Hill Road ,Kittanning, PA 16201
he post all over the net : IP PRODUCTS ARE CRAP ! when he scammed me a double order and lab testing money and i have proof :
original order tracking ea668019514cn , second replacment was sent by tracking # ea668019222cn , and i paid for testing ;
e-metal® payment confirmation: Batch 44337982 ,Paid To: 1470010 (Redskins) ,Memo: testing cost
----- Original Message ----From: Buzz ,Subject: Re: no lab scan = lier , Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:41:42 +0200 :I already nailed you on every board I could - PM's to everyone. I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU LOSE BUSISNESS -
he said he been taking dball for 15 years and can tell both my dball and cialis totaly fake so i resent him a double free order plus $ to test and give him labs adress , he said it tested fake but never show me scans note test ID # ;i been calling SRFC and they cant find such test on orange mathandienone nore orange cialis , i expect more attack from this persons and others none stop , he never tested anything
another ip smasher posted on anabolex my winy tested 5 mg and thats was back in 1995 when it first come out , test found to be a forgery , there has been hundreds of attacks day and night against us on all boards , they mail bomb our iiph@yahoo and put us out a while back .. iiph@yahoo email has only 4 letters from early days on net , when we started there was only one internt source on the net and it was Vitality in thailand (long gone) .. ..
from health canada : tested products after they seized , ,Eq and Test seized and deca eq tested 207 mg by health canada all spot on that was years ago ..after that can not send to there , ( Manny ) moderator of elite too ..
high dosed products for fools ; you make normal dose and lable higher and customer will be happy , you be honest and customer not happy :
i ordered special batch of injectable product at higher dose (100mg )and chunks floating in them !
you asked for 100 mg trenbolone enanthate and 100 mg is cloudy with chunks inside because solubility exceeded , because this compound dont desolve at more than 75 mg , the rest turn up in solid chunks ... if you heat it desolve back and as soon as cool down it apeares again , the one with chunks are 100 mg ,the clear ones are only 75 mg , you can NOT change laws of chimstry , , one ml of oil just dont hold more than 75 of tren enanthate ,one ml of oil dont hold more than 200 mg tesasterone cypionate , you go over the limit and you get a ROCK SOLID YELLOW CRYSTALS , you cant inject it ! if you manage to do so you be in pain because tiny crystals to ROCK SOLID CRYSTALITE GLASS CHUNK FORM INSIDE YOUR MUSCLE , thats why cyp made only 200 mg for human use by Upjohn pharmacies , thats why parabolan was made only 75 mg by NEGMA ! and thats why Trembolone by QV is only 75 mg and thats why (name removed by request )100 mg parabolan tested 74 mg ,thats why real pharmacuetical testasterone product never made over 250 mg , thats why Denkall T400 use only 180 mg of cyp(anything over 200 mg of cyp turn ROCK SOLID) and it still EXTREMELY painfull and form a KNOT in muscle because it contains spoon full of solids in 1ml of oil , once that 1ml oil leaves you get ROCK SOLID GLASS CRYSTALS in your muscle , and it real and thats what you get .., now still asking for higher dose ? ,filter it out the exceess and you waste a lot .. the solid stuff are pure steroid powder , its not harmfull and its not crap , its real and that how it should look like at that dose .. tren designed to work at lower MG doses , if 75 mg dont get you results you need to learn to do squats and eat right ,original Syntex masteron was only 50 mg per ml (it was 2ml amp ), original tren acetate was 30 mg .. it was for a reason .. oh now i see other guys pushing 200 mg tren enanthate !
UG lab SIUG sells Trenbolone enanthate 250mg/ml and another lab is coming with 200 mg tren enanthate ?
you are not buying 250 tren you are buying a paper lable with # 250 on it .. can put any # on lable but it still cant change the laws of chemistry , Oeffler had a 200 mg test propionate product , we all know prop just dont desolve at that dose , when one source inflat # others have to do same to compete ... i been told guys just dont buy tren product unless its labled least 100 mg ! just lable it any # you want to make you feel good or buy from whomever put biggest # on thier lable , still laws of chmestry stands , tren enanthate at 100 mg crystalizes so anything over 70 to 80 mg will not be clear , 150 mg turn to lard and i made some which i can send you and it still dont test near 250 mg .. , tren enanthate has very low melting point but still low solubility ,
what about lab test on your site showing cyp at higher than 200 mg ? thats was ROCK SOLID and it can not be injected .. that test is just for show .. again CYP dont have solubility over 200 mg !its other ester added to get it over 200 mg and he still get solids , you send to lab and test for cyp it testes poorly because lab will only test for what you ask , other ester go undetected .. if sending ip test products to lab ask to test for ALL ESTERES of test so all show up or test poorly , and if product crystalize and you testing you must ask lab to test the crystals too , if only clear liqued test it will test lower ..crystals and chunks must be counted it during test or it test low .. Filtering injectables can degrad it as steroid powders suspended can get filtered out so you must HOT FILTER , first heat then filter while still hot , transfer while still hot .. seale and crimp while still hot = sterlized sucessfully , thats how its done in pharmacuetical production ... my other inj products may have chunks in them , thats the undesolved part so solution will contain less than listed so dont be suprided if some products test lower unless you consider the weight of chunks ..
higher dose is not better , even with tabs which unlike injs can make any dose 45 mg dball is not better than 5 mg , 5 mg can devide dose more accuratly resulting in more consistant level and better results and less sides, 45 mg only created to prevent legal problems and to conform to customs 90 day import laws as you can only import limited amount of meds for personal use only , they dont consider the dose of tabs ,another thing other UG dont know is purity of chinese raw material is only %94 to %95 when tested so even when they dose spot on still come under , compare to the real pharmacuetical firms must conform to GMP standards meaning have to use only use +%99 raw material and still must dose %10 over ,and on injectable pharamcy sustanon ampoule hold 1.15ml , thats %15 over to conform with GMP standards
why ip dont make inj winy ? i have no ability to do so because inj winy needs to be micronized to 30 micron level , then chemical proccess to prevent static clumping (polarity +/- particles ) , then most strict sterile room procedure required to creat any water based as germs terribly effective at growing in water , ignorant to think can make inj winy by useing powder and water in thier basment ,some guys use toxic PEG and PS kits , its NOT SAFE , check this like : http://tuberose.com/Healthy_Home.html
does everyone gain on legit products ? according to muscle mags statistics %90 of guys dont train hard enough to gain ,(with or without AS ,they dont desreve to gain and they never will , actual email : i want to get freaky big in 4 weeks for spring bring , what you recomand ? i recomand reality check
for 4 years we offered brand name products and still many didnt gain , now same guys do not gain but the blame is more now because products is not branded , it doesnt matter its real or not , they need to blame someone when they dont gain , do yourself and me a favor order brandeed product and /or lab test too so i dont get blamed for your lazy ars
why ip tabs and oil has no lable ? you think cusoms cant read lables ? in fact lables ink can be seen through x-ray , besides we dont act like we are brand name like others do when we are not ... its generic as generic comes , now how about i make fancy lable and act like its branded with nice site and jack up prices 3x ? like lables and box and packaging material make me grow or at least if i dont i have less reason to blame the products
why tabs has no imprint and are so small , bigger tab = more bulky and more problems in clearing customs = you lose money or worse , i know public like order huge fancy looking tabs with imprints, its just companies making huge tabs dont ship out themselves so can care less , i care because you must recieve safely, imprints increase tab breakage (lose rate ) both in machine and in shipping and add to price
one problem is , ip tabs made to hard because it has to go through hell to deliver so they dont desolve in your stomach so you must chew in mouth or excerted whole when you go to take a dump and you get no results at all ..
another problem is our prices too low to be real and we cant raise prices because of old customers , for instance Meridia is $6 in us pharmacy , ours is as low as 30 cent , check our cholestrol drugs and prozac ,40 milion guys raped 5x on prozac and cholestrol meds and everything else , why you think medicines is banned to import ? because big pharmacuetical companies pay politicians to stop the 30 cent meridia from abroad so they can continue to sell thiers for $6 , and contrary to what everyone think customers used to high prices , pay $6 for a tab and think aquired a magic wand and happy , if they pay cheap they think it was inferior or fake and cheated , and we proved this fact :
been recieving complaint about one of our products after testing we could find not a flaw but once we raise prices , much better than old ones they said ! no more complaint , when in fact it was same product ,increase in price magicly solved the problem with product ! customer automaticly think because our products prices lower are cheap junk , and our competitors products are superior are better because thier prices higher , thats why everything is expensive because customer like it that way , so we lose both ways , we lose profit and reputation ,
Fact : the lower the prices the more # of idiots put thier hand on my products , most of these guys should not be taking in the first place as they dont train hard enough nore eat right .. thats one reason expensive brands get less complains because less # of users = less # of none gainers
why anavar dont come in higher dose ? because you guys believe and spread rumors on boards my Anavar tested 46 mg of oxymethelone because that guy sent my adrol and labled anavar ,now why should i throw my money away putting in 50mg of anavar now when you dont even believe my 5 or 15 mg being real because you guys believe everything on board , why dont you ask me for to cover the $100 testing cost so you know the truth ? before 2001 i imported oxandrolone powder from italy , back when china couldnt even produce test enanthate nore cyp more deca nore even EQ .. if offer a real high dosed anavar i only thrown my money and reputation away and hurt other sources too so it only increase attacks on myself ,considering no money in high dose tabs as they end up selling almost same as lower dosed ones other sources not happy and increase atacks on me , maybe that why i recieved so many attacks all these yeares for that high dose winy or dball that i brought first time in the world to BB comunity ? remeber humilating attacks from brock strasser on tesasterone.com ?: ip products made in toilet and all are fake , then he tested and apalogized but damage done to my reputation , you guys already seen board attacks and they will say its too cheap to be real so its fake anyways to you guys even if i spend an arm and legg and cut my margin to bone to offer you such product syill its not good for you , i paid $13k for primobolan raw material with %99.2 lab report highest in china , still guys say its fake because sold at low margin , i have lab assay and challange them to lab test , its ignored , its still IP CHEAP CRAP JUNK @#@%$# regardless ,
our 50 mg winy offered 10 years ago when all winy tab was 2 mg ,4 years before everyone else .. we weathered the test of time and daily none stop attacks by boards and none gainers , guys who say its fake dont realize others copied my list so now offering thier own high dose tabs , if it was fake they wouldnt bother to copy my listed dosage ... someone has to be trend setter , if i make 30 mg anavar they do too , same way with winy or dball .. its just no money in high dose products when it seels almost at same prices as low dosed ones , i am a loser and i cause big losses to other guys too so i buy more enemies , so i wait let them be trend setter now ..
if you see anyone having problem ask them to send CC email to me so truth come out , if they dont means its thier complaint fabricated
beware of scammers : considering anyone can sell you wesson oils and fake tabs and call it IP products , our product has no seal , no lable , no hologram , no imprint on tabs , and the one that did have a lable also abused by scammers , my HCG is brand name and one type come in vials ,scammers bought HCG in 10000 vial order and relabbled and sold as HGH thus i stoped offering HCG in multi use vial, list of scammers who sold fake oils as IP oil , baby asprin sold as IP winy
hype surrounding AS : one adrol tab wont give you 1lb of muscle a day like it says in the book (actual email : ip adrol is junk because book says i must gain 1 lb per day),winstrol dont turn your lard belly into 6 pack nore it make you run like ben johnson , , if so in mexico where AS is OTC everyone should look like arnold or run 100 meter dash in 9 second ? ,Ben johnson took winy broke 3 world record and rep 400lb squats to the floor and he weights only 180lb and lanky 6 feet tall too , you realy think anyone taking winy can do same ?if you are not serious about lifting or dont have the guts and will to go through hard training dont even think of taking AS
i dont even have guts to do half ars squats let alone dead lifts , and these are only ones that put meat on your bones , oh bar hurt my back , i go back to my sissy rope pulling routine and and blame the supplement .. stay away from AS till you find guts and ad disicpline to go through hard training , eat and sleep right , or all you do is ruin your health and my reputation
boards say the sublingual test-no ester tabs are just methyltest , this is not true because you can eat 100 sublingual test tabs and feel nothing at all no =efect nore side effects at all , as they are not orally active since they are not methyltest , they are same as suspension injectable but in sublingual form , other posts say they dont work : --- Original Message ----- From: "hamlet akopian" To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: question
> I have done my best > squat (parrallel to floor) 495lbs for 7 reps (without > weight belt)I am not a huge person either USING ONLY > TEST SUSPENSION SUBLINGUALS!!! > > Thanks
,I have used your test suspension sublinguals. They are GREAT!!!! ,I know that suspension sublinguals I take every hour. ,What will be best dosing schedule for the new PROPIANATE sublingual tabs? or What is there half life? ,Will they be as effective as the test suspension tabs? I love those sublinguals. If people follow your directions they work awesome
despite so much humilating attacks on boards these product does work , safe and cheap too , no need to inject or wreck your liver , , for guys who know better : working on prop tabs using same cyclodexterine formulation same as used in Mioblerone so it cost a like more but hopfully better than old test tabs ,it must desolve quikly under tongue but still tabs must be hard not to fall aprt in shipping .. old tabs would not desolve under tonugue (youmust crush it and out in there) , prop peak 12 to 16 hours after adminstration then level drop ,half life means half still in body , the other half left, prop stay in body for about 48 hours but after 12 to 16 hours hours level decline ,so in theory can take a dose every 12 or 16 hours ,test prop molcule slightly bigger than test with no ester so aborosbtion slightly lower ,(this also depeneds on thicknes of skin under tongue which may vary from person to person) ,also test prop is slightly weaker than test on per mg basis so slightly higher dose required to get same amount of test ,btw we had Deca sublingual tabs 7 years ago (nandrolone with no ester), just like test tab working well but after guys on board said nandrolone can not come in tab form so it must be fake noone bought it till become dated and thrown into bin ,another problem was nandrolone had awfull taste ..
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/Bruce
Furher down some negative stuff from Body of Science in a link, enjoy.
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Guys on boards who complain about my product on boards NEVER emailed me maybe because they never ever ordered nore have ip products to begin with or it must be hide the truth , , few years ago one of elite board mods ( the cuban )posted we put toxins in our tabs , another mod(warloboo) posted the money from our sales go to chinese military to nuke usa ! .. these posted on ellitefitnes board by thier moderator ! they endorse brand name X when in fact thats brand X is UG and coming from same country ! maybe because they vested interest in brand X ..when i went try to go on board and defend myself they banned me and kicked me out , my post deleted
dont expect unbiased opinion when many boards are sources and/or thier mod is source and members are clients of that mod or source so they become groupies of that source and that brand name that he happen to carry , they all support that brand in unisome accept all info board feed them and down others , dont attempt to ask question such board or thats what you get : STAY AWAY FROM IP ! some board exclusively push a certain brand , dont ask about other brands on such board or you become a ugly duckling ., ,never ask on boards about any product unless you make sure you are in natural ground
with any substance that has been creminalized there is turf war , as for steroids this war faught on discusion boards , take it with a grain of salt :
Fact : Ip was first in the world to make high dose steroid products , both tabs and injectables , and to this day we recieve brutal and humilating attacks for doing so , other guys copied our list but not our prices so you beleive lies on boards and pay more elsewhere for same or lower dosed products , i see most guys saying my adrol is bunk but still say winy is good , these guys dont realize oxymetholone cost less than winy and is actualy intermidiate for winstrol (meaning winstrol actualy synthesized -made- from same oxymetholone i am selling ) so if my adrol fake then so be the winy ! they say white dball was crap ,when i film coated same tabs orange they said much better than old ones !,MOD say my cyp tested not cyp but mixture od esthers ? then how in the world you get the dose over 200 mg , as cyp dont have solubility , and lab dont catch all the esthers unless being told and paid $100 per ester ..
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA1 ; I am a member of the Elitefitness board and all they do is push you towards certain sources and products...
these guys who didnt like us sent adrol to lab and lable it ANAVAR , it tested 46 mg of oxymetholone , thats because someone lable white tab Anavar and send to lab , asiprin tabs labled IP Adrol sent to lab , diluted bottles sent to lab ,.. pure veg oil from supermarket sent to lab as IP oil .. then the attackers become more sofistacated , cant say its just totaly fake , how to make IP tabs test bad ? they just chipped off tabs corner send to lab and it tested under , after i talked to tester and gotten sample mass results i exposed the lie , the tabs were not whole and they did this on perpose
buzzcock69@************
Nick Faykosh ,R.D. 7 Box 50 ,Bunker Hill Road ,Kittanning, PA 16201
he post all over the net : IP PRODUCTS ARE CRAP ! when he scammed me a double order and lab testing money and i have proof :
original order tracking ea668019514cn , second replacment was sent by tracking # ea668019222cn , and i paid for testing ;
e-metal® payment confirmation: Batch 44337982 ,Paid To: 1470010 (Redskins) ,Memo: testing cost
----- Original Message ----From: Buzz ,Subject: Re: no lab scan = lier , Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:41:42 +0200 :I already nailed you on every board I could - PM's to everyone. I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU LOSE BUSISNESS -
he said he been taking dball for 15 years and can tell both my dball and cialis totaly fake so i resent him a double free order plus $ to test and give him labs adress , he said it tested fake but never show me scans note test ID # ;i been calling SRFC and they cant find such test on orange mathandienone nore orange cialis , i expect more attack from this persons and others none stop , he never tested anything
another ip smasher posted on anabolex my winy tested 5 mg and thats was back in 1995 when it first come out , test found to be a forgery , there has been hundreds of attacks day and night against us on all boards , they mail bomb our iiph@yahoo and put us out a while back .. iiph@yahoo email has only 4 letters from early days on net , when we started there was only one internt source on the net and it was Vitality in thailand (long gone) .. ..
from health canada : tested products after they seized , ,Eq and Test seized and deca eq tested 207 mg by health canada all spot on that was years ago ..after that can not send to there , ( Manny ) moderator of elite too ..
high dosed products for fools ; you make normal dose and lable higher and customer will be happy , you be honest and customer not happy :
i ordered special batch of injectable product at higher dose (100mg )and chunks floating in them !
you asked for 100 mg trenbolone enanthate and 100 mg is cloudy with chunks inside because solubility exceeded , because this compound dont desolve at more than 75 mg , the rest turn up in solid chunks ... if you heat it desolve back and as soon as cool down it apeares again , the one with chunks are 100 mg ,the clear ones are only 75 mg , you can NOT change laws of chimstry , , one ml of oil just dont hold more than 75 of tren enanthate ,one ml of oil dont hold more than 200 mg tesasterone cypionate , you go over the limit and you get a ROCK SOLID YELLOW CRYSTALS , you cant inject it ! if you manage to do so you be in pain because tiny crystals to ROCK SOLID CRYSTALITE GLASS CHUNK FORM INSIDE YOUR MUSCLE , thats why cyp made only 200 mg for human use by Upjohn pharmacies , thats why parabolan was made only 75 mg by NEGMA ! and thats why Trembolone by QV is only 75 mg and thats why (name removed by request )100 mg parabolan tested 74 mg ,thats why real pharmacuetical testasterone product never made over 250 mg , thats why Denkall T400 use only 180 mg of cyp(anything over 200 mg of cyp turn ROCK SOLID) and it still EXTREMELY painfull and form a KNOT in muscle because it contains spoon full of solids in 1ml of oil , once that 1ml oil leaves you get ROCK SOLID GLASS CRYSTALS in your muscle , and it real and thats what you get .., now still asking for higher dose ? ,filter it out the exceess and you waste a lot .. the solid stuff are pure steroid powder , its not harmfull and its not crap , its real and that how it should look like at that dose .. tren designed to work at lower MG doses , if 75 mg dont get you results you need to learn to do squats and eat right ,original Syntex masteron was only 50 mg per ml (it was 2ml amp ), original tren acetate was 30 mg .. it was for a reason .. oh now i see other guys pushing 200 mg tren enanthate !
UG lab SIUG sells Trenbolone enanthate 250mg/ml and another lab is coming with 200 mg tren enanthate ?
you are not buying 250 tren you are buying a paper lable with # 250 on it .. can put any # on lable but it still cant change the laws of chemistry , Oeffler had a 200 mg test propionate product , we all know prop just dont desolve at that dose , when one source inflat # others have to do same to compete ... i been told guys just dont buy tren product unless its labled least 100 mg ! just lable it any # you want to make you feel good or buy from whomever put biggest # on thier lable , still laws of chmestry stands , tren enanthate at 100 mg crystalizes so anything over 70 to 80 mg will not be clear , 150 mg turn to lard and i made some which i can send you and it still dont test near 250 mg .. , tren enanthate has very low melting point but still low solubility ,
what about lab test on your site showing cyp at higher than 200 mg ? thats was ROCK SOLID and it can not be injected .. that test is just for show .. again CYP dont have solubility over 200 mg !its other ester added to get it over 200 mg and he still get solids , you send to lab and test for cyp it testes poorly because lab will only test for what you ask , other ester go undetected .. if sending ip test products to lab ask to test for ALL ESTERES of test so all show up or test poorly , and if product crystalize and you testing you must ask lab to test the crystals too , if only clear liqued test it will test lower ..crystals and chunks must be counted it during test or it test low .. Filtering injectables can degrad it as steroid powders suspended can get filtered out so you must HOT FILTER , first heat then filter while still hot , transfer while still hot .. seale and crimp while still hot = sterlized sucessfully , thats how its done in pharmacuetical production ... my other inj products may have chunks in them , thats the undesolved part so solution will contain less than listed so dont be suprided if some products test lower unless you consider the weight of chunks ..
higher dose is not better , even with tabs which unlike injs can make any dose 45 mg dball is not better than 5 mg , 5 mg can devide dose more accuratly resulting in more consistant level and better results and less sides, 45 mg only created to prevent legal problems and to conform to customs 90 day import laws as you can only import limited amount of meds for personal use only , they dont consider the dose of tabs ,another thing other UG dont know is purity of chinese raw material is only %94 to %95 when tested so even when they dose spot on still come under , compare to the real pharmacuetical firms must conform to GMP standards meaning have to use only use +%99 raw material and still must dose %10 over ,and on injectable pharamcy sustanon ampoule hold 1.15ml , thats %15 over to conform with GMP standards
why ip dont make inj winy ? i have no ability to do so because inj winy needs to be micronized to 30 micron level , then chemical proccess to prevent static clumping (polarity +/- particles ) , then most strict sterile room procedure required to creat any water based as germs terribly effective at growing in water , ignorant to think can make inj winy by useing powder and water in thier basment ,some guys use toxic PEG and PS kits , its NOT SAFE , check this like : http://tuberose.com/Healthy_Home.html
does everyone gain on legit products ? according to muscle mags statistics %90 of guys dont train hard enough to gain ,(with or without AS ,they dont desreve to gain and they never will , actual email : i want to get freaky big in 4 weeks for spring bring , what you recomand ? i recomand reality check
for 4 years we offered brand name products and still many didnt gain , now same guys do not gain but the blame is more now because products is not branded , it doesnt matter its real or not , they need to blame someone when they dont gain , do yourself and me a favor order brandeed product and /or lab test too so i dont get blamed for your lazy ars
why ip tabs and oil has no lable ? you think cusoms cant read lables ? in fact lables ink can be seen through x-ray , besides we dont act like we are brand name like others do when we are not ... its generic as generic comes , now how about i make fancy lable and act like its branded with nice site and jack up prices 3x ? like lables and box and packaging material make me grow or at least if i dont i have less reason to blame the products
why tabs has no imprint and are so small , bigger tab = more bulky and more problems in clearing customs = you lose money or worse , i know public like order huge fancy looking tabs with imprints, its just companies making huge tabs dont ship out themselves so can care less , i care because you must recieve safely, imprints increase tab breakage (lose rate ) both in machine and in shipping and add to price
one problem is , ip tabs made to hard because it has to go through hell to deliver so they dont desolve in your stomach so you must chew in mouth or excerted whole when you go to take a dump and you get no results at all ..
another problem is our prices too low to be real and we cant raise prices because of old customers , for instance Meridia is $6 in us pharmacy , ours is as low as 30 cent , check our cholestrol drugs and prozac ,40 milion guys raped 5x on prozac and cholestrol meds and everything else , why you think medicines is banned to import ? because big pharmacuetical companies pay politicians to stop the 30 cent meridia from abroad so they can continue to sell thiers for $6 , and contrary to what everyone think customers used to high prices , pay $6 for a tab and think aquired a magic wand and happy , if they pay cheap they think it was inferior or fake and cheated , and we proved this fact :
been recieving complaint about one of our products after testing we could find not a flaw but once we raise prices , much better than old ones they said ! no more complaint , when in fact it was same product ,increase in price magicly solved the problem with product ! customer automaticly think because our products prices lower are cheap junk , and our competitors products are superior are better because thier prices higher , thats why everything is expensive because customer like it that way , so we lose both ways , we lose profit and reputation ,
Fact : the lower the prices the more # of idiots put thier hand on my products , most of these guys should not be taking in the first place as they dont train hard enough nore eat right .. thats one reason expensive brands get less complains because less # of users = less # of none gainers
why anavar dont come in higher dose ? because you guys believe and spread rumors on boards my Anavar tested 46 mg of oxymethelone because that guy sent my adrol and labled anavar ,now why should i throw my money away putting in 50mg of anavar now when you dont even believe my 5 or 15 mg being real because you guys believe everything on board , why dont you ask me for to cover the $100 testing cost so you know the truth ? before 2001 i imported oxandrolone powder from italy , back when china couldnt even produce test enanthate nore cyp more deca nore even EQ .. if offer a real high dosed anavar i only thrown my money and reputation away and hurt other sources too so it only increase attacks on myself ,considering no money in high dose tabs as they end up selling almost same as lower dosed ones other sources not happy and increase atacks on me , maybe that why i recieved so many attacks all these yeares for that high dose winy or dball that i brought first time in the world to BB comunity ? remeber humilating attacks from brock strasser on tesasterone.com ?: ip products made in toilet and all are fake , then he tested and apalogized but damage done to my reputation , you guys already seen board attacks and they will say its too cheap to be real so its fake anyways to you guys even if i spend an arm and legg and cut my margin to bone to offer you such product syill its not good for you , i paid $13k for primobolan raw material with %99.2 lab report highest in china , still guys say its fake because sold at low margin , i have lab assay and challange them to lab test , its ignored , its still IP CHEAP CRAP JUNK @#@%$# regardless ,
our 50 mg winy offered 10 years ago when all winy tab was 2 mg ,4 years before everyone else .. we weathered the test of time and daily none stop attacks by boards and none gainers , guys who say its fake dont realize others copied my list so now offering thier own high dose tabs , if it was fake they wouldnt bother to copy my listed dosage ... someone has to be trend setter , if i make 30 mg anavar they do too , same way with winy or dball .. its just no money in high dose products when it seels almost at same prices as low dosed ones , i am a loser and i cause big losses to other guys too so i buy more enemies , so i wait let them be trend setter now ..
if you see anyone having problem ask them to send CC email to me so truth come out , if they dont means its thier complaint fabricated
beware of scammers : considering anyone can sell you wesson oils and fake tabs and call it IP products , our product has no seal , no lable , no hologram , no imprint on tabs , and the one that did have a lable also abused by scammers , my HCG is brand name and one type come in vials ,scammers bought HCG in 10000 vial order and relabbled and sold as HGH thus i stoped offering HCG in multi use vial, list of scammers who sold fake oils as IP oil , baby asprin sold as IP winy
hype surrounding AS : one adrol tab wont give you 1lb of muscle a day like it says in the book (actual email : ip adrol is junk because book says i must gain 1 lb per day),winstrol dont turn your lard belly into 6 pack nore it make you run like ben johnson , , if so in mexico where AS is OTC everyone should look like arnold or run 100 meter dash in 9 second ? ,Ben johnson took winy broke 3 world record and rep 400lb squats to the floor and he weights only 180lb and lanky 6 feet tall too , you realy think anyone taking winy can do same ?if you are not serious about lifting or dont have the guts and will to go through hard training dont even think of taking AS
i dont even have guts to do half ars squats let alone dead lifts , and these are only ones that put meat on your bones , oh bar hurt my back , i go back to my sissy rope pulling routine and and blame the supplement .. stay away from AS till you find guts and ad disicpline to go through hard training , eat and sleep right , or all you do is ruin your health and my reputation
boards say the sublingual test-no ester tabs are just methyltest , this is not true because you can eat 100 sublingual test tabs and feel nothing at all no =efect nore side effects at all , as they are not orally active since they are not methyltest , they are same as suspension injectable but in sublingual form , other posts say they dont work : --- Original Message ----- From: "hamlet akopian" To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: question
> I have done my best > squat (parrallel to floor) 495lbs for 7 reps (without > weight belt)I am not a huge person either USING ONLY > TEST SUSPENSION SUBLINGUALS!!! > > Thanks
,I have used your test suspension sublinguals. They are GREAT!!!! ,I know that suspension sublinguals I take every hour. ,What will be best dosing schedule for the new PROPIANATE sublingual tabs? or What is there half life? ,Will they be as effective as the test suspension tabs? I love those sublinguals. If people follow your directions they work awesome
despite so much humilating attacks on boards these product does work , safe and cheap too , no need to inject or wreck your liver , , for guys who know better : working on prop tabs using same cyclodexterine formulation same as used in Mioblerone so it cost a like more but hopfully better than old test tabs ,it must desolve quikly under tongue but still tabs must be hard not to fall aprt in shipping .. old tabs would not desolve under tonugue (youmust crush it and out in there) , prop peak 12 to 16 hours after adminstration then level drop ,half life means half still in body , the other half left, prop stay in body for about 48 hours but after 12 to 16 hours hours level decline ,so in theory can take a dose every 12 or 16 hours ,test prop molcule slightly bigger than test with no ester so aborosbtion slightly lower ,(this also depeneds on thicknes of skin under tongue which may vary from person to person) ,also test prop is slightly weaker than test on per mg basis so slightly higher dose required to get same amount of test ,btw we had Deca sublingual tabs 7 years ago (nandrolone with no ester), just like test tab working well but after guys on board said nandrolone can not come in tab form so it must be fake noone bought it till become dated and thrown into bin ,another problem was nandrolone had awfull taste ..
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/Bruce
Johny J
never gonna be a ***
i got scammed by IP. I ordered 2 years ago or so.
said they sent it out, never came. went back and forth on email, with their story always changing. It is on the way, it was resent, then they didnt resend cause the original was still coming, etc.
bunch of bullshit, i never got my order.
said they sent it out, never came. went back and forth on email, with their story always changing. It is on the way, it was resent, then they didnt resend cause the original was still coming, etc.
bunch of bullshit, i never got my order.
T
Thoms
Guest
i sure hope not
tommbstone
Member
I have to back ip 1000% been using him sice the net became popular. I remember with it was ip and SBC only! 7 yrs now and not one fucking complait.
the man is a GOD
Jason Stripe
tommbstone@hotmail.com
tommbstone@cyber-rights.net
the man is a GOD
Jason Stripe
tommbstone@hotmail.com
tommbstone@cyber-rights.net
newgoal300
New member
to hell w/ all the nay sayers!!! IP is a good guy and good business man, never had a problem w/ any of his products! sounds like he's pretty bitter! maybe he needs a hug?
China_Wall said:
I was doing some research on IP products and I ran across a post you made
on 2-10-05.This is what you said-
" I'm a believer his stuff is all horseshit. I'm in China, not far from the man. Last year he sent me a whole bunch of shit for FREE. Well FREE was about all it was worth."
Why the sudden change of opinion?
P
putin
Guest
Ouch.wellbuilt said:
I remember an article where BD boldenone tested at 150mg/ml, label said 200mg/ml.
IP guy talks a lot but he does make sense on some stuff. Never used him.
