Oral epi as a first cycle results
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blackjack
card counting specialist
There are plenty of epi users here and tons of logs. Most new users do fine with 30 mg per day. But I'll be the first to say what everyone is thinking..you're too young and you don't need it yet. How long have you been training? What are your goals? Have you researched all the ancillary necessities that go along with an epi cycle? PCT? Etc etc...
Don't take this the wrong way I'm not trying to be rude but everyone will tell you the same thing. Exhaust natural gains first while your young, then turn to PH/AAS.
Don't take this the wrong way I'm not trying to be rude but everyone will tell you the same thing. Exhaust natural gains first while your young, then turn to PH/AAS.
Yes , training for 5 years , i won't run it now , as i said i'll wait , but i just like to know the results people had for a product i will mostlikely take in a future.
Yea , i already have liver support + milk T/hawthorn B/NAC/Omg3 etc , + nolva/clomid and some other things like cortisol control / prolactin reducer / AI .
Yea , i'm almost at my top of natural gains i think , 'almost' , but i still can gain some kgs in some years.
WittgensteinNephew
New member
I'd advise against a ph at your age....but if you're hell bent on using something I'd probably say epi is about the mildest you can get. An alternative would be to look into sarms products, as they are less suppressive and come without the liver/heart/etc problems you see with aas. you also get better (yes, better!) dry gains with s4 or mk-2866 from sarmssearch than you do with epi or hella. They may not sound as sexy (s4, mk, Gw, jesus) but they et the job done. Check out sarmssearch.com. They are legit and definitely worth investigating before you get into epi. One caveat is they're expensive; BUT when you factor in all the liver support and extra pct stuff you'll need with phs, it's probably less expensive to get sarms.
Well , everyone else tells me that SARMS isn't comparable with Epi for exemple , that some people had 0 results , and that it's still supressive.
I've already made my research on it , i was curious , same as peptides , but at the end , nothing beats the AAS for a First cycle , and as i said i won't do it now but in some months or even year?
and yea the SARMS are REALLY expensive , for 1 month , you must pay 150$ for 1 , and you need to stack at least 2 of them , for 8 weeks = 150 x 2 + 150 x 2 = 600$ , 630$ with shipping , really not worth it , and still need a PCT after , ofc.
blackjack
card counting specialist
This is what I experienced with epi...
I did two cycles , both were four weeks at 30mg/day
Pros:
Strength gains after about 7 days
Increased libido with harder erections
Harder leaner looking muscles.( I was cutting at the time so that helped)
Aggression
Cons:
Low back/kidney pain. Take taurine for this
Pain full dry joints. Take fish oils and or cissus.
Testicle pains at week 3.
Aggression. Good for the gym. Not for the girlfriend.
So its good with bad. Take tudca for liver support and follow up with PCT. Yes you need a serm. There were other support suppps involved too but this is the nutshell version.
I did two cycles , both were four weeks at 30mg/day
Pros:
Strength gains after about 7 days
Increased libido with harder erections
Harder leaner looking muscles.( I was cutting at the time so that helped)
Aggression
Cons:
Low back/kidney pain. Take taurine for this
Pain full dry joints. Take fish oils and or cissus.
Testicle pains at week 3.
Aggression. Good for the gym. Not for the girlfriend.
So its good with bad. Take tudca for liver support and follow up with PCT. Yes you need a serm. There were other support suppps involved too but this is the nutshell version.
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People recommended me 6 week at 30/45/45/45/45/45 .
How much lean muscles did you gain? did you kept it ?
Nice that you had increase in libido , was thinking the opposite , cause no test base.
FOr the kidney pain , that seems bad , taurine helps for the low back but not the kidneys , right ? i have taurine and fish oil , and MSM ( for joints , but don't know if it really works ).
FOr the PCT , i have Test booster ( DAA with other things ) , Nolva / clomid , and a pct product , so it should be fine.
What scares the most is the kidneys/liver problems , and the HPTA damage
blackjack
card counting specialist
6 weeks is a long time to use epi. For me personally, I was done after 4 weeks. The low back and testicle pain wasn't worth it to run any longer. Besides I was craving margaritas and while on PHs drinking is a definite no no. Hard to say how much lean mass i gained since I was cutting fat at the same time. My hpta restored quickly with nolvadex/forged post cycle, and DAA
I wouldn't even bother if it's less than 6wkz.
Bootstomper
Neighborhood Bootbuilder
Can't argue with this! With diet and discipline (understanding your own goals and plan), none of this stuff matters and is a total waste.
But also repeating that 6 weeks is where you wanna be... For most, Epi doesn't kick in til late week 2 early week 3, so if you only run it 4 weeks you're really only "on" for 2 weeks (maybe slightly faster acting than Hella/Halo, but they pretty much kick in at the same time for me). Everyone is different... I personally am finishing up my second run with mrsupps Epi Strong and haven't experienced any of the issues homeboy did above (except for lower back pumps, but only when I do deadlifts, so I just adjusted and do these last on back days).
I've found GW1516 to be a nice addition with Epi. Switching over to sarmssearch's GW for PCT (which starts in 2 days) and STOKED about it.
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