PCT HELP: torafemine use or clomid?

[chriswolf]

Hi there,

I'm reading some stuff on pct guide,I read that during PCT the libido goes down, and someone advice to use toremifene instead of nolvadex for this reason, could you give me your advice and maybe feedback on this thing?

I would no lose my libido during pct

I see some new protocol like

toremifene and nolva:

toremifene 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/40/40

everyone that used this said that the libido was very high

or is better the classic protocol clomid and nolva? or clomid and toremifene ?

thanks a lot for your help

 

[Milton]

Good questions, but we need full personal stats, weight, height, age, cycle history etc. pct after doing what type of cycle? to be more exact with information.

 

[PortgasDAce]

Hi there,

I'm reading some stuff on pct guide,I read that during PCT the libido goes down, and someone advice to use toremifene instead of nolvadex for this reason, could you give me your advice and maybe feedback on this thing?

I would no lose my libido during pct

I see some new protocol like

toremifene and nolva:

toremifene 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/40/40

everyone that used this said that the libido was very high

or is better the classic protocol clomid and nolva? or clomid and toremifene ?

thanks a lot for your help

you will mostly lose the libido after pct when the body try to make adjustament to the hpta but again, everybody is differnet

 

[Jen]

Hi there,

I'm reading some stuff on pct guide,I read that during PCT the libido goes down, and someone advice to use toremifene instead of nolvadex for this reason, could you give me your advice and maybe feedback on this thing?

I would no lose my libido during pct

I see some new protocol like

toremifene and nolva:

toremifene 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/40/40

everyone that used this said that the libido was very high

or is better the classic protocol clomid and nolva? or clomid and toremifene ?

thanks a lot for your help

It happens in PCT to many. use whatever you mentioned (doesn't matter much IMO) but maybe get viagra to have just in case you need it?

 

[Megatron28]

It happens in PCT to many. use whatever you mentioned (doesn't matter much IMO) but maybe get viagra to have just in case you need it?

Viagra won't affect libido... just improve erections.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Viagra won't affect libido... just improve erections.

Agreed, I would rec peptide iPT-141 AND CIA. iPT will help libido and CIA (its like long lasting viagra but milder at same time) will help with boners.
even just CIA on hand is a good help in sex dpt still though IMO

 

[chriswolf]

Hi Milton thank you for your reply,

i'm 28, 175cm x 84kg at the moment I've ran this cycle:
This year i used:

Weeks 1-4
Testoviron 250mg/week
Bolde 350mg/week
Primo 400mg/week
Proviron 50mg/die
Weeks 5-8
Testoviron 500mg week
Boldenone 350mg/week
Primobolan 500mg/week
Oxandrolone 40mg/die
Proviron 50mg/die

hcg 2000iu every 2 weeks For 8 weeks (every 2 sunday) (i did it 2nd and 4th week)
since last week i'm doing 2 shot of 250iu of hcg and 0.5 arimidex E3D

then I Did some researches dropped everything at 5 week because i've found out that cycle is a bullshit (my pt wrote it down for me. I paid him)
now I'm just running 500mg of testoviron for other 2 weeks, because i used EQ and it tooks 4 weeks to leave the body, after those 2 weeks of only testo i'll be off from aas and i'll use hCG until the week before the pct (this is right?)
then I scheduled the pct in this way:

6 weeks because my testo is very low

clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20/20

but I read that in this way i could experience suppress of libido, and some people used toremifene and had a great libido because toremifene increase it.

Could you give me some good advice please?

thanks a lot for your help

 

[chriswolf]

but after the pct the libido will go up ? if yes in how many time more or less?

thanks

 

[Therealkozmo]

most people run way too much drugs for PCT. Clomid is an estrogen and can give you all the symptoms of low t.

 

[Therealkozmo]

but after the pct the libido will go up ? if yes in how many time more or less?

thanks

nothings set in stone. you don't have to lose your libido during pct.
Is this your first rodeo (PCT)?

 

[Megatron28]

most people run way too much drugs for PCT. Clomid is an estrogen and can give you all the symptoms of low t.

Clomid is not an estrogen. Clomid is a SERM and increase testosterone levels.

 

[Therealkozmo]

Clomid is not an estrogen. Clomid is a SERM and increase testosterone levels.

I do love being corrected. So it interacts with the estrogen receptor and competes with estrogen. In order to bind it would need to be similar in chemical structure, correct? Can we agree that it can be considered an etrogenicmimic

 

[Megatron28]

I do love being corrected. So it interacts with the estrogen receptor and competes with estrogen. In order to bind it would need to be similar in chemical structure, correct? Can we agree that it can be considered an etrogenicmimic

I am just going to leave it as a SERM. It "tricks" the pituitary into thinking your body needs to make more testosterone so it cranks out more LH.

 

[Therealkozmo]

I am just going to leave it as a SERM. It "tricks" the pituitary into thinking your body needs to make more testosterone so it cranks out more LH.

you're no fun

 

[juced_porkchop]

yeah that sounds like amess... just do a clomid and tamox or torafemine PCT for 5 weeks and next cycle go with 14 weeks of teste and AI during and same PCT.

if you use EQ go with 16wks min/ i
i would rec maste and teste for 14 weeks if using more than one compound the next time

 

[Therealkozmo]

Clomid is not an estrogen. Clomid is a SERM and increase testosterone levels.

According to Dr. Scally
"Clomiphene is a synthetic derivative an estrogen. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Tamoxifen is a pure estradiol receptor antagonist. Clomid acts as an estrogen, rather than an antiestrogen, by sensitizing pituitary cells to the action of GnRH. Although tamoxifen is almost as effective as Clomid in binding to pituitary estrogen receptors, tamoxifen has little or no estrogenic activity in terms of its ability to enhance the GnRH-stimulated release of LH. The estrogenic action of Clomid at the pituitary represents a unique feature of this compound and that tamoxifen may be devoid of estrogenic activity at the pituitary level."

 

[Milton]

According to Dr. Scally
"Clomiphene is a synthetic derivative an estrogen. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Tamoxifen is a pure estradiol receptor antagonist. Clomid acts as an estrogen, rather than an antiestrogen, by sensitizing pituitary cells to the action of GnRH. Although tamoxifen is almost as effective as Clomid in binding to pituitary estrogen receptors, tamoxifen has little or no estrogenic activity in terms of its ability to enhance the GnRH-stimulated release of LH. The estrogenic action of Clomid at the pituitary represents a unique feature of this compound and that tamoxifen may be devoid of estrogenic activity at the pituitary level."

that explains alot, thanks for sharing!

 

[Megatron28]

According to Dr. Scally
"Clomiphene is a synthetic derivative an estrogen. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Tamoxifen is a pure estradiol receptor antagonist. Clomid acts as an estrogen, rather than an antiestrogen, by sensitizing pituitary cells to the action of GnRH. Although tamoxifen is almost as effective as Clomid in binding to pituitary estrogen receptors, tamoxifen has little or no estrogenic activity in terms of its ability to enhance the GnRH-stimulated release of LH. The estrogenic action of Clomid at the pituitary represents a unique feature of this compound and that tamoxifen may be devoid of estrogenic activity at the pituitary level."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clomifene

Here is a snippet from Wikipedia.

Clomifene inhibits estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, inhibiting negative feedback of estrogen on gonadotropin release, leading to up-regulation of the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis.

 

[Therealkozmo]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clomifene

Here is a snippet from Wikipedia.

Clomifene inhibits estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, inhibiting negative feedback of estrogen on gonadotropin release, leading to up-regulation of the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis.

hmm who do we listen to? a doctor that lost his license to practice or an internet encyclopedia that can be edited by anyone

Truth is they are both right

 

[Megatron28]

hmm who do we listen to? a doctor that lost his license to practice or an internet encyclopedia that can be edited by anyone

Truth is they are both right

You can look it up whenever you like. They will all show that Clomifene is a SERM. It is not an estrogen or other type of steroid.