Please brothers hear my story (winstrol,test. Primo.hgh)

[Agent52]

I was forced yes I was .... I was called for army and given less than 5 months to prepare (can't say which)

I was out of shape for over 4 years I used gears 2 times before (2 cycles )
Now am fat with belly 245lb 35% bf 168 cm so basically fucked up I know and am certain there is no way to start gears in such bad shape but I have to do somthing so what I did was
Note:this shit started at June 2016
June to to end of august I went on diet and lost 45lb and gained 5lb muscles over 2 months on strict diet /training first month was diet with low carbs high protien low fat
the 2nd month was ketosis mode almost 10-30 carbs which comes from vegetables / high protein /low fat
By the start of September 2016 I started winstrol /testp/ primo
8weeks cycle And now by the end of the 3rd week am at
190lb full strength fully motivated 19-20%be and gained an extra 6 lb of muscles ( I go to doctor to always check my gains loses BP etc)
So far 5 weeks left before my cycle end and I start my pct/clen since am so short on time one of the trainers has given me an advice of adding growth hormone on the last 2weeks

My question is should I add 2 weeks of hgh on the cycle while on gears or make it 10 weeks total ( 8cycle 2 hgh)

My 2nd concern is clen doesn't effect me at all I mean it I used it once in my life 4 years ago and it was amazing but now I tried it for 2 weeks with pot/Tur for safty and I felt nothing at 150 mcg maybe slight freaking slight crambs should I use it again ???


3rd question I take only rest days when I feel tired and same goes for cheat meal took 4/4 over 2 and half months

My daily training is without gear
2 days lefting 10-14 hours cardio weekly
Walking with resistance (wights sand/grass/hails)
On gear 3 days abs/2-3 hours cardio resistance
3 days muscle training (big/small) × 2 then leg day each with at least 25 mins cardio and finally one rest day
Do I need to add anything else is what am doing fine I have no more options to easily speak to you guys it's hard to get Internet on my area (desert ) forgive me for my bad English but please help me

 

[Milton]

what are your personal stats?

 

[Agent52]

what are your personal stats?

168 cm hight
190lb
19% bf

 

[Agent52]

190lb
168 cm
19%bf

 

[Agent52]

Am so sorry I need to go little far each time to replay to you (outside training camp) my post show for some reason so I will post it again 190lb 168cm 28 years old
19% bf no of cycles before 2 last time done it 4 years ago
Gains was very nice that time please tell me if you need any more information and sorry if my replay is too slow

 

[halfwit]

I was forced yes I was .... I was called for army and given less than 5 months to prepare (can't say which)

I was out of shape for over 4 years I used gears 2 times before (2 cycles )
Now am fat with belly 245lb 35% bf 168 cm so basically fucked up I know and am certain there is no way to start gears in such bad shape but I have to do somthing so what I did was
Note:this shit started at June 2016
June to to end of august I went on diet and lost 45lb and gained 5lb muscles over 2 months on strict diet /training first month was diet with low carbs high protien low fat
the 2nd month was ketosis mode almost 10-30 carbs which comes from vegetables / high protein /low fat
By the start of September 2016 I started winstrol /testp/ primo
8weeks cycle And now by the end of the 3rd week am at
190lb full strength fully motivated 19-20%be and gained an extra 6 lb of muscles ( I go to doctor to always check my gains loses BP etc)
So far 5 weeks left before my cycle end and I start my pct/clen since am so short on time one of the trainers has given me an advice of adding growth hormone on the last 2weeks

My question is should I add 2 weeks of hgh on the cycle while on gears or make it 10 weeks total ( 8cycle 2 hgh)

My 2nd concern is clen doesn't effect me at all I mean it I used it once in my life 4 years ago and it was amazing but now I tried it for 2 weeks with pot/Tur for safty and I felt nothing at 150 mcg maybe slight freaking slight crambs should I use it again ???


3rd question I take only rest days when I feel tired and same goes for cheat meal took 4/4 over 2 and half months

My daily training is without gear
2 days lefting 10-14 hours cardio weekly
Walking with resistance (wights sand/grass/hails)
On gear 3 days abs/2-3 hours cardio resistance
3 days muscle training (big/small) × 2 then leg day each with at least 25 mins cardio and finally one rest day
Do I need to add anything else is what am doing fine I have no more options to easily speak to you guys it's hard to get Internet on my area (desert ) forgive me for my bad English but please help me

1. Two weeks of HGH will do next to nothing for you. It needs to be ran for MONTHS to see the desired results.

2. From what I've been told, the military drug tests. Clenbuterol pops positive for amphetamine use, so thank your lucky stars that it was likely bunk. Stay away from stimulants, unless you want to be booted before boot.

Any military guys on here can confirm or clarify if I'm wrong, but I do know that they do test for the major drugs.

3. I'd just keep up the cardio and practice whatever your PT test covers. I know there's a timed run and I think push-ups/sit-ups. Whatever body fat that's left over will be nothing but a memory after the military gets ahold of you.

My .02c

 

[oldmusclemike]

1. Two weeks of HGH will do next to nothing for you. It needs to be ran for MONTHS to see the desired results.

2. From what I've been told, the military drug tests. Clenbuterol pops positive for amphetamine use, so thank your lucky stars that it was likely bunk. Stay away from stimulants, unless you want to be booted before boot.

Any military guys on here can confirm or clarify if I'm wrong, but I do know that they do test for the major drugs.

3. I'd just keep up the cardio and practice whatever your PT test covers. I know there's a timed run and I think push-ups/sit-ups. Whatever body fat that's left over will be nothing but a memory after the military gets ahold of you.

My .02c

I just couldn't follow your gibberish too clearly and it sounds like quite a cluster fuck but no offense, good that's past.

Dammit ^^^ Halfwit hit it again and I just can't add more but to support his post.

Good luck man keep up the cardio before they get you so you don't get sent home before you start.

 

[Agent52]

I just couldn't follow your gibberish too clearly and it sounds like quite a cluster fuck but no offense, good that's past.

Dammit ^^^ Halfwit hit it again and I just can't add more but to support his post.

Good luck man keep up the cardio before they get you so you don't get sent home before you start.

Thank you guys for the reply I was just told that last 2 weeks of testp win with growth would add somthing but looks like I was wrong thanks again for the correction and about cardio and clean diet it will stay ofc am not gonna ignore it

 

[gruntwerk]

There's no way this is the US military... We're not called upon, not since the Vietnam era.

Not sure where you live that your drafted into the army, especially when you're not physically fit enough.

To me this is so weird, as a 6 year veteran of the US Army. There's no room for unfit folks in combat arms, you will either get yourself killed or worse off, your fellow battle buddy.

How about you just tell us what country you're in so we can all avoid ever going there? Can't imagine this said army would be worth a damn if they're just forcing anyone and everyone in.

And yes halfwit, our military tests for all the major drugs and they can ask you to submit to a lab test if they believe you're using performance enhancing drugs. I still think OP is in some strange place that does things differently.

 

[gruntwerk]

OP - I see now you mentioned desert, and I apologize for above post as I was sort of a dick - I tend to be biast in these topics because I served in the US Army. I've seen first hand what happens when someone cannot hold their own, meaning that one out of shape guy who cannot keep up when shit hits the fan, running in full battle rattle in 60 pounds of gear boils down to a ton of fucking heart too. This can hold other people back in a direct combat situation, example being you start taking direct fire (small arms, 7.62x39, if you're in a desert you're familiar with the AK-47) and you're unsure where it's coming from; first step is you bound for cover of course - now what if your nearest cover is 200-300 meters away? This can be a hell of a sprint when your geared up and being shot at. Now you're falling out, lagging behind, sucking is the term we use... you can't keep up. Now your brothers have to head back INTO fire to drag your unhealthy ass back and try to motivate you or help you. Now not only is your life in danger but your fellow soldiers now too.... there is a chance you could all be killed at this point. Any loss hurts your unit, being 1 man down isn't good and certainly taking multiple KIA isn't good. This is what we call a buddy fucker, or "that" guy and no one wants to be that guy.

YOUR UNIT IS ONLY AS STRONG AS YOUR WEAKEST LINK!!!! Believe me it's very fucking true and isn't a joke, I'm not sure where you are or who you will be fighting and I get you were forced but for the sake of your military you need to pony the fuck up and do this shit proper. I've been one of those people before who have to go back out to find and help weak links, it blows man.

So desert... are you in Iraq, Iran, Africa.... possibly anywhere in the middle east? The whole thing is kind of weird, would be wild if I'm giving some dude from Iraq advice right? I'm just trying to understand what country still does this and for some reason the only places I can think of are in the middle east.

As for the original topic, it's the endless subject of beating a dead horse. I've seen americans post on here before... "what's the best cycle to get into the navy seals?" Well the answer is none because you're not gonna be able to maintain this in boot camp. They train you in fitness during boot and this is the whole point because they make the conditions similar to what you will encounter during war. Example can be not letting you sleep, starving you out for a few days.. etc, then making you do PT or battle drills. It's done this way because this is how you prepare, you never know what will happen during war. I have litearlly eaten cat food before, I shit you not man - canned nasty wet sloppy ass cat food, we found it in a random building stuffed in some crap. It had been nearly 3 days without food so hell me and my buddies each ate some.

Sorry so hard not to rant on these topics because it just blows my fucking mind... but here's the direct point. Using AAS to prepare for the military is not practical, out side of starting boot camp or basic or any training we have control over our diet and rest routine, control over our training and supplements. Once your training begins you will not be able to eat enough to maintain the new mass gained off the cycle, chances are you will lose the majority of it because you'll be operating off very few calories, also it's not possible in most militaries to use AAS well in training because they search your shit. Fact is you wont be able to eat or train the same way to maintain the muscle mass from AAS, most of the training is based off endurance and stamina, the whole point is to break you down. Very few things will be based off strength only... very little, most will be centered around cardio and calisthenics. So focusing on things like tons of running and cardio will help, weight training will help some too but don't focus on trying to really add mass as it's pointless, do lots of core exercises or compound stuff with high reps very little rest, cardio between sets like jumping rope. IF you're training is anything like the US then you will want to be on top of your endurance came for sure.

I still want to know at least where you live, so odd... you barely have internet but yet your running around to the doctor in the desert and he knows exactly how much muscle you've gained? If you don't have some good satellite equipment then I doubt you have a dunk tank.

Again not trying to be a dick man but this whole thing is super weird in my eyes!!!












DONT FORGET...
Only as strong as their weakest link

 

[Agent52]

Hello again sorry for the late reply that's why I mentioned at the beginning I don't want to hold my brothers or fuck up any one I have been training so hard to the point I don't care so much I just don't want to be burden fighting terrorist is part of the plan and don't worry about food or doctor again as I mentioned I cant say anything more I was called to arms on egypt and I am training in semi military camp which prepares for the environments faster I couldn't answeer so due the fact they keep our staff far away to treat us as if we were in harsh scenario but doctors food etc is there again sorry but against my code to speak about it I wanted to be in best possible shape before I get to be called to travel again

 

[appleton111]

keep us posted on how you proceed.

 

[gruntwerk]

Hello again sorry for the late reply that's why I mentioned at the beginning I don't want to hold my brothers or fuck up any one I have been training so hard to the point I don't care so much I just don't want to be burden fighting terrorist is part of the plan and don't worry about food or doctor again as I mentioned I cant say anything more I was called to arms on egypt and I am training in semi military camp which prepares for the environments faster I couldn't answeer so due the fact they keep our staff far away to treat us as if we were in harsh scenario but doctors food etc is there again sorry but against my code to speak about it I wanted to be in best possible shape before I get to be called to travel again

Egypt okay I can work with that, like I said I'm not trying to be mean I just want you to understand it can be hard to maintain the AAS life style, and eating for proper growth once war time actually comes.

I wish You the best of luck and make sure you fuck some terrorist up for me too!! Just remember cardio and endurance training will be more beneficial then weight lifting for the battle that lies ahead of you.

If you care to know anything about how terrorist and their organizations work please feel free to PM me, or if you need any advice. I've been to Iraq twice myself and fought some of the most prominent terrorist groups out there.

Good luck and God speed man.

 

[Agent52]

Egypt okay I can work with that, like I said I'm not trying to be mean I just want you to understand it can be hard to maintain the AAS life style, and eating for proper growth once war time actually comes.

I wish You the best of luck and make sure you fuck some terrorist up for me too!! Just remember cardio and endurance training will be more beneficial then weight lifting for the battle that lies ahead of you.

If you care to know anything about how terrorist and their organizations work please feel free to PM me, or if you need any advice. I've been to Iraq twice myself and fought some of the most prominent terrorist groups out there.

Good luck and God speed man.

I appreciate every single word you said thanks alot right now this week's results is kinda werid to me could you take a look please
TBW (total body water :48.9!!!KG extra 10-14KG of water (I think due sodium ) and total fat is 15kG the machine calculated that I have around almost 31% Bf in which 10-14 is extra water wight and the remaining as I mentioned fat so if what it is saying is true this means I need to lose total of 20% water fat which around 20 kg
Right now I have 5 weeks left on the cycle and extra month or so (pct remaining preparation )
What would be the best cardio to do
Running with wights
Or hiit or walking hails with wights
And I really need to get rid of that water badly it kinda suprised me any advice of that
And is my clen really fake ? It's the 50 mcg tables or do I even needed it
And would my cycle better been extended to 10 weeks other than 8 ? Am so sorry for asking so much but I am kinda panicked I can't stop trying or eat cheat meals at all
My last was 25 days ago

 

[Agent52]

I feel like a ballon

 

[gruntwerk]

I appreciate every single word you said thanks alot right now this week's results is kinda werid to me could you take a look please
TBW (total body water :48.9!!!KG extra 10-14KG of water (I think due sodium ) and total fat is 15kG the machine calculated that I have around almost 31% Bf in which 10-14 is extra water wight and the remaining as I mentioned fat so if what it is saying is true this means I need to lose total of 20% water fat which around 20 kg
Right now I have 5 weeks left on the cycle and extra month or so (pct remaining preparation )
What would be the best cardio to do
Running with wights
Or hiit or walking hails with wights
And I really need to get rid of that water badly it kinda suprised me any advice of that
And is my clen really fake ? It's the 50 mcg tables or do I even needed it
And would my cycle better been extended to 10 weeks other than 8 ? Am so sorry for asking so much but I am kinda panicked I can't stop trying or eat cheat meals at all
My last was 25 days ago

Well I have to be honest, I'm not certainly the most knowledgeable guy about cycling as my experience with gear is purely TRT so everything else I know is based on research and the other fellas here teaching me.

Second, your English isn't great as you already know - I'm not saying this to be rude either so please do not take it that way, I just want you to understand it makes helping a little harder as I cannot understand every detail you're explaining to me/us. Example of this is you've said in a few posts that you have no prior cycles but then you go on to say that you've done two cycles in the past... so what exactly is your cycle history? If you have to write something in your native language I can always try to translate it as well. Either way can you try and explain your cycle history better? and most of all what are your goals?

Next is your diet, no matter what compounds/gear/cycle you're running it's your diet that will determine your results. You need to be in a calorie deficit, the AAS/gear/cycle/etc is what will help you retain lean mass, which is your muscle. This will be the biggest factor in your goal to drop body fat. So with that said will you give us a breakdown of your diet? How many calories you're eating and what your breakdown of carbs/fat/protein is? We call this macros.

Sodium definitely increased water retention... but are you using an AI to control estrogen? Not sure how you had your exact water content measured either... never knew that was possible but I'm still learning like I said, either way that's a lot of water you added on some how. Last I knew, water is considered lean mass as well and doesn't typically influence a true body fat percentage (maybe someone can confirm to be sure?) so unsure how your BF jumped so much.

Your clen is probably fake so just stop it, it's not something you should likely be using anyway... I don't know too much about it but I know it can be stressful on the heart and such and like halfwit mentioned it can cause a positive drug screen for amphetamines.

I cannot advise you to extend your cycle because I'm not sure what you're truly up too, like I said above we need some more information on your diet and exactly what you're trying to achieve. We also need to know how long you have to get into peak shape too. Again like I said before the diet is key, the cycle won't cast a magic spell.

And yes to answer your last question, focus more on endurance and cardio training, this will also help with burning calories. You can still include weight lifting but use lighter weights with high reps (20+) and keep good form, burn the muscles out, take only short rests between sets and keep the volume or training up in order to keep heart rate up. Running with weights is good but be careful not to damage your joints, low intensity with high resistance cardio is really good for what lies ahead... also mix some sprints in. That pretty much gives you HIIT style cardio like you mentioned and that's really practical for military training, in war you will likely do a lot of short sprints followed by long slow patrols carrying a lot of weight.

Get us rest of your info.

 

[luckypaul]

Who is forced and called for the army? If you are in the US stay fat and you will be excommunicated.

 

[Agent52]

Well I have to be honest, I'm not certainly the most knowledgeable guy about cycling as my experience with gear is purely TRT so everything else I know is based on research and the other fellas here teaching me.

Second, your English isn't great as you already know - I'm not saying this to be rude either so please do not take it that way, I just want you to understand it makes helping a little harder as I cannot understand every detail you're explaining to me/us. Example of this is you've said in a few posts that you have no prior cycles but then you go on to say that you've done two cycles in the past... so what exactly is your cycle history? If you have to write something in your native language I can always try to translate it as well. Either way can you try and explain your cycle history better? and most of all what are your goals?

Next is your diet, no matter what compounds/gear/cycle you're running it's your diet that will determine your results. You need to be in a calorie deficit, the AAS/gear/cycle/etc is what will help you retain lean mass, which is your muscle. This will be the biggest factor in your goal to drop body fat. So with that said will you give us a breakdown of your diet? How many calories you're eating and what your breakdown of carbs/fat/protein is? We call this macros.

Sodium definitely increased water retention... but are you using an AI to control estrogen? Not sure how you had your exact water content measured either... never knew that was possible but I'm still learning like I said, either way that's a lot of water you added on some how. Last I knew, water is considered lean mass as well and doesn't typically influence a true body fat percentage (maybe someone can confirm to be sure?) so unsure how your BF jumped so much.

Your clen is probably fake so just stop it, it's not something you should likely be using anyway... I don't know too much about it but I know it can be stressful on the heart and such and like halfwit mentioned it can cause a positive drug screen for amphetamines.

I cannot advise you to extend your cycle because I'm not sure what you're truly up too, like I said above we need some more information on your diet and exactly what you're trying to achieve. We also need to know how long you have to get into peak shape too. Again like I said before the diet is key, the cycle won't cast a magic spell.

And yes to answer your last question, focus more on endurance and cardio training, this will also help with burning calories. You can still include weight lifting but use lighter weights with high reps (20+) and keep good form, burn the muscles out, take only short rests between sets and keep the volume or training up in order to keep heart rate up. Running with weights is good but be careful not to damage your joints, low intensity with high resistance cardio is really good for what lies ahead... also mix some sprints in. That pretty much gives you HIIT style cardio like you mentioned and that's really practical for military training, in war you will likely do a lot of short sprints followed by long slow patrols carrying a lot of weight.

Get us rest of your info.

Diet is 4 daily meals 3-4 hours each
spicy grilled chicken breast X2 green salad
Tuna can without oil
Protien shake
I usually start my day with either 3 peices of dates /150 grams of water Mellon before training by 45-1 hour

And I don't really think I mentioned I have no cycles before ? Where is that maybe due my bad english
regarding cycles I had an issue regarding combing growth for the last 2 weeks and you know this machine which doctors of nutrients use I have access to that as much as I went since am on the camp it's kinda big machine u hold some grap /put your feet on some kinda of sensitive plates while puting some information (hight /age /gender ) then within 40s-1min the results come out printed inculding bmi slm bf etc it counted my TBW as 75% which was insane !! It has to bee 60% and that's around 10-14 kg of water again due me been recently registered user it takes time for the post sorry man

 

[gruntwerk]

Sounds like you don't have enough protein in there so support the increase in protein synthesis the AAS provides, you really need to capitalize on that as it's the whole point.

You mention starting your day with fruit, I see no mention of protein in there and you're training right after you eat the fruit, so when your training you don't have any amino acids in you and you're tearing muscle down, this is no good. Either way you need protein in breakfast, after a night of not eating your body is fasted and catibolic so you need protein as soon as you're up. You also need protein before you're workout.

I myself get up a little extra early to have breakfast then let that digest, since I go to the gym in the morning too I make sure I give myself time. So decent sized breakfast with complex carbs, protein and some fats. Around an hour and a half later I head up the gym so I down a protein shake quick with some MCT or coconut oil for a quick energy source, then shake and complex carbs after the workout.

I'm by no means a diet expert but it appears that's surely your problem, you need more protein And surely with breakfast and pre workout, I would swap some of the fruit for a complex carb like oats too.

 

[gruntwerk]

Who is forced and called for the army? If you are in the US stay fat and you will be excommunicated.

He's in Egypt