Please check out my next cycle!

[J steel]

Hey guys, getting ready for cycle #4, starting this November.

My last one, ending in July, consisted of 500mg Cyp, 500mg EQ per week for 12 weeks. I am 6'3", starting weight was 220lbs, ended up at 235lbs. BF is between 10-11%.

The goal of my next cycle is to get up to 250lbs with minimal, if any, bodyfat gain. Then next spring, it will be time to cut up and drop that fat!

So, here goes.........

Wks 1-3 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Wks 1-11 Test Cyp 800mg per week
Wks 1-10 EQ 400mg per week
Wks 8-13 50mg BD Winstrol (winny) tabs
Wks 11-13 Test Prop 100mg EOD

Nolva run 20mg ED throughout entire cycle. I attempted to kick start my last cycle with Dbol at 30mg a day.......got gyno symptoms quickly that took a while to fight off. This time around with all this test, I'm taking no chances, so some of you may not agree, but Nolva will be run from the start.

Aromasin.......25mg per day. If I can't get enough of it at a good price, then I will run Letro instead. I prefer Aromasin since it does not have a bad effect on lipid panel.

So, give me some comments guys!!

Here are some of my questions:

Is 100mg Prop EOD enough to kickstart the cycle when I will be running 800mg Cyp a week? Should I bump it to 150mg EOD? Keep in mind its my first time using Prop.

Is 800mg of Cyp overkill? I thought 600mg would be too little to achieve my goals at my current weight. What do you think?

Whats the correct dosing of Aromasin? Is 25mg per day equivalent to 1mg Arimidex per day?

Thanks!

 

[BUFFDAWG10]

Looks good to me bro, nice planned out cycle!!!

 

[BiggieSwolls]

100 mg eod of the Prop will do its job as a kick starter.

As far as the Cyp dosage, your last cycle you were taking in 1 full gram of gear (Cyp and EQ), this time between those 2 drugs your taking in 1200 mg. Thats not too heavy of a jump if you ask me so to asnwer your question, I dont think the jump to 800 mg is too much.

If your gyno prone, definitely run the Nolva throughout. Better to be safe then sorry.

As per your Aromasin question, never used it myself and am not very up to date on it. Will defer that question to someone better suited to answer it.

Overall, very nice looking cycle. Well planned out and I am anxious to hear about your progress.

Good luck J.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

You made some pretty nice gains on your last cycle so I don't know if it's necessary to jump the Test to 800 mg/week, I would go with maybe 600. I might also up the EQ a little instead of dropping the dose to 400.

 

[J steel]

Nice! Thanks for the quick replies fellas.

Biggie.......I never looked at it like that, on a total mg basis combining all the gear.......like you said the bump from 1g to 1200mg isn't that big of a jump. Thats a smart way to view it, thanks.

SC........I did do pretty well off my last dosage. But I think with my weight now and the goal I have set for myself, the higher dosage would probably be the way to go. As for the EQ, I felt like I was getting some of the anxiety associated with it on my last cycle. Previously in another cycle, when I had only taken 400mg per week, I didn't feel as much of it. Seems like a small difference, but I guess it matters.....if I go 600mg EQ, it may just be too much anxiety for me to handle.

By the way, all you guys are the best.........I have learned so much in the past months. Keep up the great work

 

[BUFFDAWG10]

Keep us posted on the progress you makee on this cycle & good luck bro!

 

[J steel]

Thanks Buffdawg..........I have some time before I start, but I will definitely keep you guys updated when I do.

So anyone have any info/experience with aromasin?? Still trying to figure out a good dosage.........is 25mg ED too much? Keep in mind I will be taking 20mg nolva everyday to make gyno a non-issue.

 

[Grownassman Inc.]

Your cycle looks good. I agree with Biggie that 100mg of Prop is fine. Also why do you like taking test for so long? I don't like taking it longer than 8-10 weeks.

What are your post cycle therapy (pct) plans?

 

[J steel]

Yea, I know 13 weeks total is pushin it a little..........but really I need to run it that long so as to be able to use the EQ for 10 weeks.......any less and I feel the EQ is worthless.

My last cycle was 12 weeks, and I believe I recovered just fine. Lost little weight, if any at all. Will be getting blood work soon.

For post cycle therapy (pct) I will be running nolva and clomid together...........I did this combo for my last cycle and feel like I recovered better than clomid alone. Maybe the nolva alone will be just as good, but I'll take both to be safe. I also run clen those first two weeks of post cycle therapy (pct) as an anti-catabolic aid.

Still waiting for info on aromasin.........anyone??

Your cycle looks good. I agree with Biggie that 100mg of Prop is fine. Also why do you like taking test for so long? I don't like taking it longer than 8-10 weeks.

What are your post cycle therapy (pct) plans?

 

[JohnnyB]

I think you've set your goal to high for fat free mass. Food is the key to a cycle and well determine if you gain muscle with fat or not. To gain 25lbs in 13 weeks well take some good genetics, diet, training and recovery.

If you stop gaining in the middle of your cycle, up your calories, some people want to up doses when they need food not more drugs. It's not the amount of drugs in the cycle that matters, it's the amount of food. Muscle mass needs calories to be built and to be maintained.

JohnnyB

 

[J steel]

Thanks for the advice JohnnyB, but reread my first post..........I am only looking to gain 15lbs, not 25. I expect some fat, I just want to keep it to a minimum.

Bro, I would have said the same thing as you if someone said they wanted to gain 25lbs with no fat in 13 weeks!

 

[eastarr69]

You made some pretty nice gains on your last cycle so I don't know if it's necessary to jump the Test to 800 mg/week, I would go with maybe 600. I might also up the EQ a little instead of dropping the dose to 400.

yep..i would bump the EQ also...and or run it a bit longer...

E

 

[hhajdo]

Wks 8-13 50mg BD Winstrol (winny) tabs

Contrasting effects of testosterone and stanozolol on serum lipoprotein levels.

Thompson PD, Cullinane EM, Sady SP, Chenevert C, Saritelli AL, Sady MA, Herbert PN.

Department of Medicine, Miriam Hospital, Providence, RI 02906.

Oral anabolic steroids produce striking reductions in serum concentrations of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. We hypothesized that this effect related to their route of administration and was unrelated to their androgenic potency. We administered oral stanozolol (6 mg/d) or supraphysiological doses of intramuscular testosterone enanthate (200 mg/wk) to 11 male weight lifters for six weeks in a crossover design. Stanozolol reduced HDL-cholesterol and the HDL2 subfraction by 33% and 71%, respectively. In contrast, testosterone decreased HDL-cholesterol concentration by only 9% and the decrease was in the HDL3 subfraction. Apolipoprotein A-I level decreased 40% during stanozolol but only 8% during testosterone treatment. The low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentration increased 29% with stanozolol and decreased 16% with testosterone treatment. Stanozolol, moreover, increased postheparin hepatic triglyceride lipase activity by 123%, whereas the maximum change during testosterone therapy (+25%) was not significant. Weight gain was similar with both drugs, but testosterone was more effective in suppressing gonadotropic hormones. We conclude that the undesirable lipoprotein effects of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids given orally are different from those of parenteral testosterone and that the latter may be preferable in many clinical situations.

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Effects of short-term stanozolol administration on serum lipoproteins in hepatic lipase deficiency.

Bausserman LL, Saritelli AL, Herbert PN.

Lipid Research Laboratory, Miriam Hospital, Brown University Medical School, Providence, RI, USA.

We have identified a kindred in Providence, RI, deficient in hepatic triglyceride lipase (HL). The two affected brothers have coronary heart disease and elevated levels of triglycerides, total cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, and apolipoprotein [apo] A-I. The lipoprotein lipase (LPL) activity is normal. We and others have postulated that the effects of oral anabolic steroids on HDL metabolism are mediated by HL. To test this hypothesis, we treated these two men and two controls with the oral androgen stanozolol (6 mg/d) for 2 weeks. Consistent with other reports, HL activity increased a mean of 277% in controls with a concomitant decrease in HDL cholesterol (49%), HDL2 cholesterol (90%), HDL3 cholesterol (16%), and apo A-I (41%) and no change in apo A-II. Although stanozolol failed to induce HL activity in the HL-deficient man, HDL cholesterol, HDL2 cholesterol, and apo A-I were reduced a mean of 20%, 48%, and 32%, respectively. In contrast to controls, HDL3 cholesterol (46%) and apo A-II (14%) increased in HL-deficient subjects. Stanozolol treatment also increased LPL activity (124% +/- 86%, n = 4) and decreased lipoprotein(a) ([Lp(a)] 66% +/- 3%, n = 3) in the three men with detectable levels. The data indicate that in addition to stimulation of HL activity, stanozolol treatment changes HDL cholesterol concentration and subfraction distribution by other mechanisms.

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The effect of intramuscular stanozolol on fibrinolysis and blood lipids.

Small M, McArdle BM, Lowe GD, Forbes CD, Prentice CR.

The effects of a single 50 mg intramuscular injection of the anabolic steroid stanozolol (Stromba) on fibrinolysis, blood coagulation and lipids was evaluated in 12 healthy male volunteers. Significantly increased plasminogen activator levels (p less than 0.05) was noted 24 hours following the injection and these remained elevated for one week. Plasminogen levels increased significantly by day two (p less than 0.01) and remained elevated for three weeks. HDL cholesterol fell (p less than 0.01) and both total and LDL cholesterol increased (p less than 0.05) when measured one month post injection. Stanozolol appears to have therapeutic potential as an activator of the fibrinolytic system when given by intramuscular injection.

 

[panteracfh]

what was your first and second cycles? i just want to know because im finishing my first up right now, 250mg ara-test and 200mg cyp for 10 weeks and dbol for the first 5 weeks at 30mg...and i only gained about 15lbs. i think its because i ran different esters and it was just a screwy beggining and all...but my next cycle is gonna be 500mg enth/500mg EQ for 12 weeks.....i wana see how your gains were from cycle to cycle...THANKS

 

[J steel]

interesting read hhajdo, thanks.

panteracfh........my first cycle was actually just 300mg Primo a week for 10 weeks. I was very uneducated and scared of sides....this was my reasoning for using it by itself. Believe it or not, I actually gained and kept 10lbs..........but I think much of it can be attributed to the fact that it was the first time that I really focused on eating enough and getting correct rest. second cycle was 250mg T Enan and 400mg EQ............gained about 10lbs. then my third cycle was most successful and a huge learning experience for me. I feel so much more prepared for my next one starting soon........from diet, to training, to pct.

as you can see, my gains have been slow but steady. 15lbs for your first isnt bad. i was a hardgainer all my life.........i'll take my 10-15 lbs each time until i get to my goal. i've come a long way already.