Please review my TestP/TrenA/Var/Winny cycle!

[Dr.Xta-C]

I have planned my next cycle which I'll start mid-december.

I'm 28, I weigh 185lbs, 5' 11", 9 years of training but I've only gotten into it seriously (i.e. diet and supplementation since 2008). BF is approximately 16%..

Last cycle was Deca 500mg/week (8 weeks) Test P 675mg/week (10 weeks). Great gains, managed to keep about 22lbs or the 27lbs I've gained thoughout the cycle. Dosages were higher than I should've gone for and I'm greatful I didn't suffer from any sides. I know much more about AAS now, which has allowed me to come up with my own cycle this time.

My goal is to gain approximately 20lbs of lean muscle mass and lower my bf% to around 10-11%..

Your input is greatly appreciated...

I have my proposed cycle attached to this thread as a downloadable PDF..

Comments on the proposed PCT are greatly appreciated too..!!

Thanks in advance,

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

My goal is to gain approximately 20lbs of lean muscle mass and lower my bf% to around 10-11%..

i didnt look at your cycle yet, but dont get your hopes up on this goal.

I mean drop 5% BF while simultaneously gaining 20lbs LBM? sorry bud that doesnt sound possible IMO

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you have to lay out your cycle in a much simpler fashion, i took one look and closed it.

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

you have to lay out your cycle in a much simpler fashion, i took one look and closed it.

lol, its basically as follows:

days 1-60 tren acetate 50mg ED
days 1-70 test prop 70mg ED
days 1-70 proviron 50mg ED
days 11-35 40mg Anavar ED
days 36-70 75mg Winstrol (oral pills) ED
days 1-70 prami ED (0.18mg daily first and last week and 0.27mg daily in between)
days 1-70 arimidex 0.5mg EOD
days 1-70 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500iu E4D

PCT

days 72-82 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1500iu EOD
days 87 onwards clomid 300mg first day followed by 10 days of 100mg daily followed by 10 days of 50mg daily

PS: I inject 4iu of HGH 5 days a week, 2 days off

 

[tkaltenbach]

Two words: LIVER SUPPORT
Liv 52, udca, or ??

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

looks fine, ive never tried Winstrol (winny) or var, but i might take them together when i do. Winstrol (winny) makes your joints big and brittle, var increases collagen synthesis. It might ease the pain on the joints and help to prevent injury.


the HGH helps with that too though.

 

[bush.j1596]

I'd personally take the Winstrol (winny) out bro and save it for another cycle. Tren Ace will cover all areas with Winstrol (winny) plus some. And do you know you are already prone to prolactin gyno? jw

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

Two words: LIVER SUPPORT
Liv 52, udca, or ??

1 tab of Liv 52 daily.. That in addition to calcium, omega (3,6,9), kidney health support tablets, vitamin B1,6,12 Complex, Multi-Vitamin, Tribulus, Yohimbe bark and joint support..

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

I'd personally take the Winstrol (winny) out bro and save it for another cycle. Tren Ace will cover all areas with Winstrol (winny) plus some. And do you know you are already prone to prolactin gyno? jw

Had blood work done recently and my prolactin levels were in check..

No gyno issues what-so-ever on a 500mg/week deca 675mg/week test, and that cycle didn't include any dopamine agonists (this one will include pramipexole)..

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

.. The reason as to why I've added the Winstrol (winny) at the end is for it to enhance the shredded/ripped look I'm after.. Will it be useless if used in conjunction with Tren A or will its benefit be only slightly reduced?

 

[Turtleneck1971]

When I cycle Tren It leans me right out. I see no need for Winstrol (winny) at all honestly.

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

When I cycle Tren It leans me right out. I see no need for Winstrol (winny) at all honestly.

Well since Winstrol (winny) only kicks in on the 6th week of my plan, I think I'll have a pretty good idea by then as to whether I'd like to keep it as part of the cycle, reduce the dosage or eliminate it and keep it for a summer cutting cycle..

 

[bush.j1596]

Yeah bro its your cycle, so make you sure you aim to please yourself. Just watch out for those joints. If I were you, I would keep the prami on hand in case needed, since you mentioned you were just fine on your last blood test. No need to hinder any possible gains right? And thats a few less chems you'll be pumping in your body.

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

Does prami hinder gains? I thought it only lowers prolactin levels which I thought was a good thing regardless?

I honestly don't know so pls excuse my ignorance..

 

[bush.j1596]

It does not directly hinder gains, I'm sorry, that is ignorance on my part. From my experience, it causes a somewhat drowsiness for me, as well as a few others I know. But this does not directly hinder gains, and it is a great chem. I just meant, in my opinion, I wouldn't take any extra chems unless needed.

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

It does not directly hinder gains, I'm sorry, that is ignorance on my part. From my experience, it causes a somewhat drowsiness for me, as well as a few others I know. But this does not directly hinder gains, and it is a great chem. I just meant, in my opinion, I wouldn't take any extra chems unless needed.

Noted, thanks for your input!

I guess i'll use it just to be on the safe side yet keep the dosage low unless i suffer any progestrone related sides.. I know about it causing drowsiness hence im planning on taking it before bedtime..

 

[Dr.Xta-C]

.. By the way, i'm thinking of skipping the 10 days of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shots (days 72-82) and just start clomid therapy 5 days after my last shot of test for pct.. Reason is cuz i'll be using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle at 500iu e4d and i was told that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) wont really be needed if thats the case.. Just wanted to know ur thoughts on the matter..!

 

[ECKSRATED]

Seems like a lot of junk to be putting into a 185 body...

 

[cjz0220]

Yeah bro seems like your on your 8th or more cycle this is pretty insane of a cycle how many you have under your belt so far?? I mean your goal is lofty for sure thats alot of cutting to be doing while bulking but I wish ya the best. I think bulk up and then cut up thats why there are cutting and bulking cycles cus its just too hard to bulk when you are cutting or cut when your bulking. You can definitely lose some bf while gaining some LBM an the tren will help do that but dont set yourself up for failure.

 

[drewbolic]

Var works much better I found at doses 60mg and above .
I used var/winny combo the last 5 weeks last cycle and loved it.I was hard as a rock,lean and mean.
If this were I would bump the mg on the anavar up to 60mg its a very light anabolic and very expensive so if you can afford it run it at 60mg or higher.