Possible first cycle.

[bigdogd]

Hi all,

All opinions welcome. Thanks in advance and sorry for lack of knowledge (although I have been researching nonstop)

Current weight: 181
Height: 6'0
Age: 25

I'm on a tight diet regiment and have been for the past 2 months. I have been lifting and doing cardio daily.

Goals: I want to tighten up and be leaner. My overall goal is to be cut and solid and try and keep most of my gains.

This is going to be my first cycle and I was shooting for something possibly along these lines. (Constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated)

test-e 500 mgs (weekly shot) 1-10wks
50mg(daily of anavar)

2 weeks after last shot i would be doing clomid dosed at 50mg for 4 weeks straight and Nolva dosed at 40mg for 2 weeks then 20mg for the rest of the 2 weeks.

My question (this is where my noobness comes in) is i see a lot of cycles are also involved with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) = Arimidex at .25mg every other day. But also read on the beginner cycle sticky (if i didnt read incorrectly) that I could get away with the nolva and clomid and that would be sufficient enough for my pCT since this is my first cycle and I wouldnt need HCG. Would that be the same for the Arimidex at .25mg every day (since its my first cycke)?

Hope this post doesnt make me look too stupid..

Anyway thanks in advance for all the professional help.

 

[Metalhead]

I would recommend adex at .5 mg eod from day 1 unil post cycle therapy (pct). This will keep bloat down, keep your bp in check, control estrogen, and prevent you from getting high estro sides. I would also run the test out to 12 weeks and do the var about the lasthalf of your cycle. I wouldnt run it the entire time as it could be bad for your liver

 

[Docd187]

Hi all,

All opinions welcome. Thanks in advance and sorry for lack of knowledge (although I have been researching nonstop)

Current weight: 181
Height: 6'0
Age: 25

I'm on a tight diet regiment and have been for the past 2 months. I have been lifting and doing cardio daily.

Goals: I want to tighten up and be leaner. My overall goal is to be cut and solid and try and keep most of my gains.

This is going to be my first cycle and I was shooting for something possibly along these lines. (Constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated)

test-e 500 mgs (weekly shot) 1-10wks
50mg(daily of anavar)

2 weeks after last shot i would be doing clomid dosed at 50mg for 4 weeks straight and Nolva dosed at 40mg for 2 weeks then 20mg for the rest of the 2 weeks.

My question (this is where my noobness comes in) is i see a lot of cycles are also involved with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) = Arimidex at .25mg every other day. But also read on the beginner cycle sticky (if i didnt read incorrectly) that I could get away with the nolva and clomid and that would be sufficient enough for my pCT since this is my first cycle and I wouldnt need HCG. Would that be the same for the Arimidex at .25mg every day (since its my first cycke)?

Hope this post doesnt make me look too stupid..

Anyway thanks in advance for all the professional help.

I would lengthen the cycle to 12wks minimum since it will take you around 4-6 to start feeling the effects of it like strength and recovery.

I would not opt for Anavar in a first cycle bc if you develop sides you won't know what it's coming from and test alone can give you the results you seek.

I would split the 500mg into 2 weekly shots. Monday and Thursday or I do Tuesday and saturday.

Arimidex and any AI's are not for post cycle therapy (pct) and should be used during the cycle. It will help keep your estrogen levels down by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme. It will keep side effects down as well like high BP, water weight/bloat, and oily skin. Some ppl choose not to use it until sides occur but this is one of those situations I'd rather treat beforehand than wait till after.

A lot of ppl will recommend Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to help with testicular atrophy, keep up endogenous test production, and make for a speedier recovery. I chose not rouse it on my first cycle but plenty do. Look into the pros and cons and make your decision based in what you feel is required.

 

[kaname]

Split the 500mg into two weekly shots (ex. Mon / Thur - 250mg ea.) Increase from 10 to 12 weeks.
Drop the Anavar and save for a future cycle. If you're hell bent on running it, then run it the last half of the cycle while you're still pinning the test. Do not run it the entire cycle.

The A.I. can be had on hand as a precaution. Personally I run it from the start. Some don't some do. I like to cut down on the extra water weight, and keep my bp as low as possible, among other things.

Lastly keep it simple, so leave you're clomid and nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). Use either Adex or Aromasin for A.I., or letro for extreme cases.

No you don't need the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but some run it from the start even if its a simple cycle. 250ius x 2 a week for the cycle is fine.


edit: If you do choose to run an A.I., from the word go, then stop running it approx 2 days before starting your serms.

 

[kaname]

Man I must have really been typing slow....

.....Did take me a minute to figure out how to spell Aromasin.

 

[Metalhead]

Op threw us a bone and us dawgs jumped on that shit with similar results. Well done bros

 

[Metalhead]

Man I must have really been typing slow....

.....Did take me a minute to figure out how to spell Aromasin.

You sure you didnt have trouble with A.I.???

 

[Docd187]

Man I must have really been typing slow....

.....Did take me a minute to figure out how to spell Aromasin.

I finally beat you for once!!! hahahah

Edit* on second thought probably not the two best smiles to put right next to each other. Oh fuck!

 

[kaname]

I would lengthen the cycle to 12wks minimum since it will take you around 4-6 to start feeling the effects of it like strength and recovery.

I would not opt for Anavar in a first cycle bc if you develop sides you won't know what it's coming from and test alone can give you the results you seek.

I would split the 500mg into 2 weekly shots. Monday and Thursday or I do Tuesday and saturday.

Arimidex and any AI's are not for post cycle therapy (pct) and should be used during the cycle. It will help keep your estrogen levels down by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme. It will keep side effects down as well like high BP, water weight/bloat, and oily skin. Some ppl choose not to use it until sides occur but this is one of those situations I'd rather treat beforehand than wait till after.

A lot of ppl will recommend Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to help with testicular atrophy, keep up endogenous test production, and make for a speedier recovery. I chose not rouse it on my first cycle but plenty do. Look into the pros and cons and make your decision based in what you feel is required.

You and Metalhead have won this battle, but the war......mwahahaha ....you get the point!

 

[kaname]

You sure you didnt have trouble with A.I.???

lol

 

[DexterMorgan]

In the sticky,the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that should be taken everyday is Aromasin. Every other day is for Arimidex because it remains in your body for 2 days. Even if it's your 1st cycle, as MetalHead pointed out, it's best to use AI

And good job actually reading the stickies, it's rare lol

 

[Docd187]

Op threw us a bone and us dawgs jumped on that shit with similar results. Well done bros

Like a fat kid jumping on a Twinkie (no offense to any kids reading this )

 

[bigdogd]

thanks everyone. i appreciate the fast responses. ill be honest i am not sure about the AI's but i will do more research and looking into those. I appreciate all the feedback. It was very helpful.

i also notice you guys recommend not using anavar and if one were to use it you say use it the last half of the cycle of test, like you all prefer. my question (sorry in advance may be a dumb question) is that am i aiming to end my last shot and if i use the var to end simultaneously or it wouldnt hurt it ending a week or 2 after (still doing the post cycle therapy (pct) exactly 2 weeks after my last test shot, correct?)

thanks again and sorry for my noob like tendencies

 

[Metalhead]

Yeah if you decide to run Anavar (var), do weeks 6-12 and then wait 2 weeks and hit up the pct

 

[kaname]

thanks everyone. i appreciate the fast responses. ill be honest i am not sure about the AI's but i will do more research and looking into those. I appreciate all the feedback. It was very helpful.

i also notice you guys recommend not using anavar and if one were to use it you say use it the last half of the cycle of test, like you all prefer. my question (sorry in advance may be a dumb question) is that am i aiming to end my last shot and if i use the var to end simultaneously or it wouldnt hurt it ending a week or 2 after (still doing the post cycle therapy (pct) exactly 2 weeks after my last test shot, correct?)

thanks again and sorry for my noob like tendencies

To be honest I don't think I understand your question. If you're asking if it's ok to run the anavar into the post cycle therapy (pct) peroid, then I say no, from the stand point of playing it safe. At that point the amount of test in your system has dropped and you're not back online, which even if you were back online you still would want to be pinning as we don't rec running anavar alone. As I said I may not get what you're asking, but simple advice is to keep it well simple. Leave the var alone. Running the test only will give you time to see how you react to it. When you go to add a new substance then you will be able to isolate what is causing sides, as you slowly increase from a simple 1 substance cycle to your monster 6 substance cycle (just threw out a number).

 

[DexterMorgan]

The reason you don't want to run var through the whole cycle is because it's 17 alpha alkylated, which is toxic for your liver, so 6 weeks of var is the maximum you'd want to use it for.

AI keeps the estrogen production down, when your body has too much test it converts it to estrogen, so you end up with less estrogen in your system by using AI

SERMS block the estrogen from attaching to breast glands. SERMS don't block test conversion to estrogen. You may not get gyno using SERMS on your cycle, but you will have too much of estrogen in your system, which causes many other problems.

And thats why you use Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle and SERMS for PCT.